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From the infamous RT database with a couple of edits and guesses from me, not sure if this will post correctly but hopefully
sail name design notes K4124 Arbitare Farr 11.6 K8586 C U Later Ross 8 Australia, technically K6015 Distraction Farr 1020 Marlborough K8737 Drinks Trolley T30 Auckland K9380 Equilibrium Martin 55 Auckland K9023 Favourite Elliott 1350 Auckland K6095 Flying Boat Young 11 Auckland K9160 Focus Elliott 1350 Auckland K9367 Global First 36.7 Marlborough K10012 Hans Up Hanse 375 Entered as Henrieta, guess on actual boat K6962 High Voltage Elliott 1050 Christchurch K8349 Kick Elliott 1050 Auckland K9619 Kokomea First 40.7 Nelson K6069 Legacy III Young 11 Auckland K44044 Ma Te Wa XP 44 Auckland K8766 Margaritaville Ross 1066 Entered as Los Molinios, guessing this will be the boat O 3600 Mister Lucky Sunfast 3600 Australia K641 Motorboat II Elliott 10.5 Noumea K16522 MR Kite Cape 40 Auckland K30040 Niksen Dehler 30 Auckland Pacman Young 11 Australia K136 Playbuoy Stewart 34 Auckland K9953 Poulpito Sydney 38 Noumea K8681 Relapse Rocket 50 Auckland K28538 Serena T 1150 Auckland K4379 Shimmer II Townson 34 Auckland K6980 Simply Irresistible Young 11 Christchurch K143 Simply The Best Elliott 43 Auckland K5077 Southern Fun Davidson 36 Auckland K4903 Start Me Up Ross 930 K9848 Sweetwaters S&S K4750 Urban Cowboy Ross 40 Auckland K9263 Vixen 76 Class 40 Auckland K8907 Waka t850 Auckland K1248 Whichway Davidson 52 Auckland K10303 Wired BBW 52 Auckland K6992 Zest C36 Nelson -
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Apologies Psyche, obviously read your rev up the wrong way
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General handicaps for the triple series have four components. SSANZ racing excluding RNI,RNZ from the prior three seasons, RaceTrack, design assessment and for races 2 and 3, earlier racing from the current series. Manual consideration is also a factor but as stated is the starting point with,approximately equal weighting to each component. That isn't always possible as it's dependent on there being previous racing.
It can be argued, quite reasonably. that race 1 this season should not have had handicaps changed afterwards, or changed minimally though my cynical side tends towards the view that how reasonable this is corrolates quite well with how well you placed in the race.
I've been doing the general handicaps since 2014 and the issue is that I've thought the weather, whether dying or building breeze or weather coming through in waves has been a significant factor in results for 20 of the 23 races in that time, worse, two of the three where I didn't think it was significant were the final race in the series, so, well we weren't changing handicaps after those two anyway.
That shouldn't be much of a surprise for those with knowledge of Auckland winter weather, it's more likely than not either pretty light or blowing strong and change over a period of more than six hours and particularly after dusk is the rule, not the exception.
Also consider, the argument that change should be minimal/none because of weather conditions assumes that the next race won't have similar conditions. If the next race does, changing handicaps based on the prior race and changing to a fuller extent would absolutely be the right thing to do.
Finally, consider the triple series has three races only, sometimes two but we won't go there. It isn't a 10 race series where there is latitude for handicaps to correct over the series. If any boats handicap is significantly wrong in race one and handicaps for whatever reason do not change, the mistake propagates through race two and the series can be effectively over, notwithstanding how handicaps may change, or not, in race 3. It is the reason why I allow larger handicap changes than would be the norm during the manual consideration part of the handicap setting, more smaller changes simply don't work in a three race series.
At present, policy is to always change general handicap and to assume nothing with respect to weather.
Back to the initial part of this post which is the more interesting part.
minimising or Discarding races for unfair weather effectively removes the first two parts of the approach. It's possible to minimise handicap change for the next race but extremely difficult to factor that into the basic approach ongoing without excluding races completely.
Is it a reasonable approach, would excluding the actual short handed parts improve it? Would capping the degree of change improve it and if so, to what extent? Is it possible to somehow objectively determine what constitutes a 'weather unfair' race and if so, how? My assessment is based on whether I thought more than 10-15% of the fleet was significantly affected by building / dying / seriously weird stuff, it does show in results.
Cconstructave feedback of how to address weaknesses or what may be better and at a level that fits with reality isn't easy but is both welcome and useful. If the majority could actually agree, well that would be the icing.
And Psyche, if your comment actually related to Psyche, you must know I'm going to point out that while your handicap may have been truly crippling and the ultimate in unfair, perhaps being DNS was a bigger issue for your result.
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Think the Evolution div 1 and 2 wording actually refers back when there was separate 'light' and 'heavy' small boat and wording never got changed when numbers caused the two divisions to merge.
From memory, Open came in because of so many boats feeling the need to have a general handicap below 0.75 and the conclusion was it's easiest just to have a separate open division with no limit.
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second for Hurricane, good, thorough, friendly and professional
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Entries here, obviously still quite early but definitely true numbers have been declining
https://topyacht.com.au/db/kb/entrants_display.php?EventID=1276
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Hi people
Forecasts are looking pretty good this year, at least moderate from the north and possibly a touch strong early but should ease a little as the evening goes on. Possibility of a little rain but nothing too serious and a fairly good chance of nothing at all.
Numbers are down a bit this year with a small number of quicker boats so I've elected to run a single course.
Course, approximately 9.5nm:
From the start rounding Bean Rock Buoy to port, Rough Rock buoy to port, Orakei Buoy to starboard, Resolution Buoy to starboard, Bayswater Buoy to port finishing in a westerly direction between the Westhaven Tower and the ODM.
The start line is defined as a line from Westhaven tower to the outer distance mark (ODM), the finish line is also a line from the Westhaven tower to the Outer Distance Mark. Please note, unlike previous years, this is not a transit, boats finishing outside the Outer Distance Mark will be scored DNF.
Start times shall be signaled with number boards on the tower and we will endeavour to broadcast each start time on VHF ch77. We expect to coordinate start times using GPS time so starting on your GPS time should work well.
Keep in mind people you are sailing under Collregs which do require a higher degree of caution while navigating in close proximity to other vessels. There are also insurance implications so if close to other vessels, throttle back the racing enthusiasm, no one wants a damaged boat just before their Christmas cruise. Take particular care going into and coming out of Rough Rock Buoy.
Start times: final17:45 Stinger
17:52 Close Encounters
17:53 Crocodile
17:59 Flashwave
17:59 T Rex
18:01 Sailor Moon
18:01 War Machine
18:01 Young Magic
18:06 Cliff hanger
18:06 Enigma I
18:06 Houdini II
18:06 Team Sex
18:06 Fast Company
18:08 Chain Reaction
18:09 Sailutions
18:10 Atomic
18:13 Black Pearl
18:13 Extreme
18:14 Force Eleven
18:16 The big dont argue
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A brief note people that, owing to a prior commitment, I'm unlikely to be able to allocate start times on Wednesday, the day of the race.
Please enter as soon as possible
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From what I recall, S.I. amendment to lock down centreboards became fairly standard in NZ after Astrotraveller (Lightning 7.5) had a moderately serious roll one breezy squaddy winter series race in the late 80s.
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The VG is truly one of a kind, always enjoy following it and this year has all the indicators of being a classic, even by VG standards.
Must put some thoughts together, however for those interested, a slightly modified version of the rankings splitting boats into groups based on the VG for which they were originally built. 2008 was apparently a vintage year for boats.
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Piedys definitely in there at the moment with class racing with fleets of 6-12 out of Milford and larger groups doing SSANZ and Auckland Regatta.
Elliott 5.9s also very strong and have been for years but it's a different magnitude of serious. Expect most club racers would look pretty ordinary if they put themselves in that group.
Have also heard Reactors do a bit of racing run at association level pretty much under almost everyone's radar but regular fleets of half a dozen or so.
If south of Auckland, accepted there is anything between the bombays and Antarctica, can't go past the Noelex 25s and 22s, their are groups racing on most lakes and trailer clubs.
and not sure how much regular racing there is and if any in the Auckland area, but Hartley 16 nationals seem to get good numbers and think the quality of sailing ranges from respectable through to beginner so interesting for most people and I'd assume light on the pockets, well as light as you could hope anyway.
Not many of those keel boats sorry, plenty of other options if class racing isn't the big requirement, Trackers, Ravens, Lotus etc.
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I disagree Fish.
It is not a humanitarian issue as they claim, it's a fiscal issue. They can get off their boats if they consider the risk of cyclones too high. That they don't want to lose their boats I completely understand, that this is a humanitarian issue New Zealand is somehow responsible for dealing with is politely, a stretch. It's a cost issue and in the overall scheme of people being financially hurt by CV19, one that's quite a long way down on my sympathy list.
And 4000km between NZ and Aus, really, did NZ or Aus move sometime while I had my back turned?
They may have got sympathy from me, if they were actually honest with their case and the facts.
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Interesting but wow, talk about not being able to see outside your own pond.
Very US centric and curious in that quite a few of the US designers mentioned were, at least in my opinion, pretty ordinary, whilst some I've got plenty of time for (RP, Andrews for example) weren't mentioned. I guess though if they were, it'd kind of defeat the argument that was being made.
As to the bit about not been able to mention recent designers, that's pretty much flat out ignorance, plenty of good people still doing design, just not very many in the states. As to the production build boats not having name designers, well most I'd contend have a better rep and are better known than half those listed from his 'golden age'.
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Don't want to correct you Wheels but those truly in the know, well their decision is more, shall I use a hammer or go straight for the axe?
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What would be the bigger insult BooBoo/Cam, adding or subtracting 10 mins to HL start time?
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Very quick note people if any boat wants to change the course they're doing, we can't promise a good start time but we are receptive to requests.
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Been out of the water for a while so I expect this will be the new, much anticipated Farr 1020 Super Sport
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A few new boats, as below
7.6nm course :
17:59 Crocodile
17:59 Serene
17:59 Sweathog
18:04 Bondi Tram
18:05 Flashwave
18:05 Hot Gossip II
18:06 Duty Free
18:06 Cool Change
18:07 Legless
18:07 Young Magic
18:07 Panama Jack
18:07 Sailor Moon
18:07 Elliphunk
18:09 Ovlov Marine
18:10 Carpe Diem
18:11 Hawkeye II
18:11 Hard Labour
18:12 Fast Company
18:13 Enigma I
18:13 Team Sex
18:13 Chain Reaction
18:14 Fun-n-Games
18:14 Waka
18:15 Atomic
18:16 Pretty Woman
18:16 Motorboat II11.6nm course :
17:45 Transformer
17:45 Atamai
17:47 Black Pearl
17:47 Extreme
17:48 Force Eleven
17:59 Knee Deep II
18:04 Freedom
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Hi people
Forecast is something of a concern this year, MetService is calling the breeze to drop in the evening whilst the PredictWind models have it dropping only slightly but still definite wind warning country well into the evening.
To cover the possibility that it will still be strong into the evening and given some boats may have people new to sailing, I've elected to make courses very simple this year. I've also chosen to make the finish line a transit from the tower through the ODM meaning you can finish outside the ODM if you wish.
Keep in mind people, as always, it's the skippers decision as to whether to go out sailing or not. My personal advice, if the wind is up, be certain of your decision before leaving.
As usual, for those starting last on the short course or first on the long course, if you particularly want to sail the other course, let me know and I'll see what can be arranged.
Short Course :
7.6nm: From the start rounding Bean Rock Buoy to starboard finishing in a westerly direction on a transit line from the Westhaven Tower through the ODM.
Long Course :
11.4nm: From the start rounding Motukorea Buoy to starboard finishing in a westerly direction on a transit line from the Westhaven Tower through the ODM.
The start line is defined as a line from Westhaven tower to the outer distance mark (ODM), the finish line as noted earlier is a line from the Westhaven Tower, through the Outer Distance Mark to a point on the northern side of the harbour.
Start times shall be signalled with number boards on the tower and we will endeavour to broadcast each start time on VHF ch77. We expect to coordinate start times using GPS time so starting on your GPS time should work well.
Keep in mind people you are sailing under Collregs which do require a higher degree of caution while navigating in close proximity to other vessels. There are also insurance implications so if close to other vessels, throttle back the racing enthusiasm, no one wants a damaged boat just before their Christmas cruise.
Apologies to the purists as I know it's not likely to be a tactical or challenging course, especially if I've overestimated the severity of the weather.
Any questions, please email me at mmulcare@xtra.co.nz
Start times, as at 16:00, Tuesday 17 December :
7.6nm course :
17:59 Crocodile
17:59 Serene
17:59 Sweathog
18:04 Bondi Tram
18:05 Flashwave
18:06 Duty Free
18:06 Cool Change
18:07 Legless
18:07 Young Magic
18:07 Panama Jack
18:07 Elliphunk
18:09 Ovlov Marine
18:10 Carpe Diem
18:11 Hawkeye II
18:11 Hard Labour
18:12 Fast Company
18:13 Team Sex
18:13 Chain Reaction
18:14 Fun-n-Games
18:14 Waka
18:15 Atomic
18:16 Pretty Woman
18:16 Motorboat II11.6nm course :
17:45 Transformer
17:45 Atamai
17:47 Black Pearl
17:47 Extreme
17:48 Force Eleven
17:59 Knee Deep II
18:04 Freedom
18:12 RomanzaStay safe people, if you're out enjoy the sail.
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a vote for Dry Glide, unbelieveable difference
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Hi people,
Brief reminder to get rum race entries in.
Important for a couple of reasons, likely a decision on whether to proceed based on numbers will be made Monday evening.
Will take entries after that but do keep in mind, the later the entry, the grumpier the handicapper is likely to be and do you really want a start time set by a grumpy handicapper?
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Cation has done CC 17, 18 and now 19. 13 mins behind Kotuku in 17 and 10 mins behind in 18
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Has been looking the tinyest bit unpleasant hasn't it, and maybe the occasional rain drop Sunday afternoon if GFS is to be believed.
WindFinder not looking quite as bad and still quite a way out so perhaps there's hope.
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Thought Lucifer had a pretty good day at the office, Clockwork, the French Y11 Legacy and of course Elevation weren't too shabby either.
Ross 780 sail number, builder, any info please
in MarineTalk
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Only a guide, most sail numbers were allocated sequentially and about 2/3 of the Ross 780s are in the range from 3200 to 3500 so probably from Hopwood Boats and in the middle somewhere for builds.