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She is listed on Marine Hub.
Is this the listing
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new trade me listing
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/boats-marine/yachts/keeler/auction-1145674565.htm
Sold. 5 days on the market.
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there is a very tidy 40ft steel Haag about to be listed with Vinings in the next week or so. I know the current owner and it is well looked after and in very tidy condition. It a very comfortable yacht
Hi GrantWould you have any more info. Thank you -
Fair enough. But for what reasons can you then refuse to buy? You find that the boat is not close winded enough for your tastes, or sluggish etc. kind of a subjective decision.
DrWatson, This is exactly the point that i struggled with. I didn't think there was much wriggle room after the contract with the clause of survey and sea trial was signed. I expected that once on the water if the boat sailed in general condition than the trial is passed.I expect I am naive "Again" , Island Time.
My only experience with boat purchase was in ,retrospect great.We answer a for sale add inn the buy and sale in 2006, We met the owner on the jetty and went for a wonderful sail and we were sold on the boat, A week later it went on the cradle and we looked over the hull and money was exchanged deal done with both parties very happy.
Little did i know then.
I understand the need to ensure the tire kickers don't waste brokers time.
Good to hear other views.
Thank you
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Hi Black Panther
A loved yacht. Nice to see a well looked after yacht.
I am keen to limit my size to 40 ft and have 2 cabins.
Thanks for the disp vs ballast explanation.
Thank you
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Another good way to compare yachts is sailboatdata.com
Here's the Passport 40 http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=2366
Search your Cav 32 and then start comparing sail area to displacement, ballast/displacement etc
Being able to sail efficiently in light weight tropical air is very different to what you will be used to on the east coast of the SI
But the most important thing is just get a boat and do it.
This is a great boat I know of http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/boats-marine/yachts/keeler/auction-1125790535.htm
Hi Jon
I did some digging and found the following
Passport
Sail Area/Disp.1: 15.24 Bal./Disp.: 37.77% Disp./Len.: 272.34Cavalier 32
Sail Area/Disp.1: 13.91 Bal./Disp.: 50.78% Disp./Len.: 290.64Interpreting these no feels like going into a rabbit hole. The most obvious difference to me is the Bal/Disp. Does this mean that the cav is a stiffer boat or under canvased by comparison?
Thank you
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All good points SM.
Almost all kiwi boats are getting old now, which is not, in itself a problem provided they have been properly maintained. Finding one that has is getting harder...
The gear for cat one - or a lot of it - expires - so a boat that's been cat one may or may not be helpful. Personally a good, sound boat with good sails and engine is more important. For cat 1 also standing rigging must be less than 10 years old, and have evidence as such.
You generally won't get away with less than 20 k $ preparing for offshore and getting the cert. Even on a good boat. $50k is not uncommon .
thank you for that. Yes the cost of a dream. Am I right to assume that any boat that may have been cat one may not be a significant factor as it will need to be replaced.
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Remember that a lot of your time cruising is at anchor, ( generally 80+% ) so comfortability is important, Ventilation in the tropics can be critical to whether the cruise is enjoyable or uncomfortable. What works in the South Island won't cut it in the warmer climes. Coming from an engineering background, I struggle to look past Aluminium / steel. Given a good design an alloy boat can and will perform as well as any plastic fantastic. Ganleys have a good cruising rep. A lot of yachts that have been offshore and come on the market advertised as having had cat 1 and done circumnavigations could be in need of a comprehensive refit, not just getting cat 1 again.
Hi Steve
We had a look at a Pacemaker in Whagarei with Vinings http://www.vinings.co.nz/index.php?mact=V8,cntnt01,viewstock,1&cntnt01stocktype=Marine&cntnt01stocksubtype=Yacht&cntnt01price_low=100001&cntnt01price_high=200000&cntnt01order_by=price&cntnt01view_type=&cntnt01offset=10&cntnt01returnid=78&page=78
The hull is 6 mm below and 5 above waterline. What would be your take on the pros and cons on this.
Its probably on of the first to be build. I can see ventilation being a issue on the south island but up north. Very small and few portholes This one has come back home from across the pacific 7 years ago. I have not sailed on a steel yacht this size and found it difficult to find information on ganleys. Happy to have a "heavy cruiser' but still able to sail and point like our cavalier 32 which by the way displaces aprox half a pacemaker. This one would need a bit of investment starting with more horsepower currently a Bukh 36. I had a number of chats with broker and could take it for sail only after the contract is signed. I appreciate your comments.
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other yachts to consider around this size include
Mull 40 (K Eade built)
Cav 39
Lidgard Regardless 40-42
Note the Passport and the 1220 have one thing in common, quite small cockpits.
Also with the Passport, be careful of some of the Taiwanese compromises in their construction eg steel fuel tanks which may be at the end of their life and difficult to replace.
Would you consider a Whiting 40 such as http://www.taurangaboatsales.co.nz/nz-yachts/yachts-50000-100000/whiting-12m
I believe this one has been in charter for some time. My preference would be for a 2 cabin layout.
Thank you
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Welcome aboard Danpat! What you have asked is a broad subject, and every owner has a different idea. Where are you based? The boats you have described are two heavy cruisers and one cruiser/racer. I have a Farr phase 4 which is very similar to a 1220. I have sailed her over 30,000 nm over the last 15 years, so I guess you now know what I chose!
The Farr will significantly out perform the other two. If you got into an extreme storm, the other two MAY be more robust, but I have been in very bad conditions in my Farr and never felt that the boat would let us down. Heavier boats can have a less lively motion at sea though.
You spend WAY more time at sea in light weather than storms. The Farr can do 6 knots in 6 knots of breeze, so you can sail more and motor less. IMO a boat that sails well in the light is a critical feature, but some are happy to motor.
If you'd like to spend a weekend sailing on a Farr, give me a call or a pm, and I'm sure we could arrange something here in Auckland.
Thanks for coming in. We are in Christchurch far from the near tropical North Island.
Thank you for your generous sailing offer. I can appreciate you point on light air sailing. Is there an half way? Mid displacement Kiwi Built .
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without having vast experience of the options I'd say if you're really happy with the cav 32 the passport or ganley might be more up your alley.
Don't know so much about the ganley but the passports have a reputation for being relatively good sailing boats, and are normally pretty nicely built and tend to already have all the offshore cruising gear. Just be careful of osmisis - unless it's already been dealt with it's likely you'll have to have it fixed, which costs $$$. Some also have an issue with the knees around the chainplates, but again, it's often already fixed and if it hasn't it's easy enough to do, just takes $$$. That said I looked at a nice passport (40 or 41 can't remember which) at bayswater 3 or 4 months ago which was $110k or $120k so would leave you plenty for having that done inside your budget.
The farr are a nice boat and more of a racer/cruiser. Depends what you want at the end of the day. Still very capable and many have been offshore before, but not the consumate tough offshore boat that the others are, but as long as you manage your sail area as required and don't push too hard there's no reason they can't go anywhere.
Other thing to think about is what each one you look at comes with. A 1220 that hasn't been offshore recently will likely need a bunch of gear, the passports I've seen tend to come with it all, rafts, watermakers/huge tankage, stern anchors, enclosed cockpits etc that people who've had an NZ based 1220 have never bothered to fit.
Have a look/go for a sail on some of each, and see what you like. At the age they are they're all worth getting surveyed and checked properly to know what you're getting into as it's unusual to find one that's perfect..
Hi Razz
We looked at the Passport in Bayswater Marina for $ 120000 and were informed it has the blisters. This is after having a bottom job done in Asia 10 yrs ago aprox. Its a nice yacht I was not sure of the head configuration with the pullmans berth on port. We did like the workmanship inside. I hear what others are saying about problems with tanks chain plates. Thanks for your thoughts.
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Hi All
I am a newbie to this site and I am reaching out to the wealth of knowledge and experience out here.
Our story. We have a Cavalier 32 for 10 years and its been the greatest unknowingly at the time the best first boat for us. We always felt safe even sailing upwind, downwind with 3 reefs in the main touching 7.5 knots way passed its hull speed.
We would like to travel further than up and down the east coast of the South Island and spend more time cruising NZ and the Pacific Is.
Our search for a replacement has excluded at this point prod. boats Bav, Ben and Jea,. We have been looking at Ganley Pacemaker 1986 , Passport 40 1984 , and also the Farr 1220.
They are all very different chalk cheese.
We like the interior space of the Pacemaker and Passport.
I have not sailed on either but both are heavy displacement i would expect with similar sailing characteristics to our Cavalier 32.
I have recently stumbled upon the Farr 1220 and were attracted to its lay out, all controls to cockpit, and good interior layout. What surprised me was the difference in weight 6500kg to Ganley 12000kg and Passport 11000kg.
I know the Farr 1220 have been offshore and are capable but feel that perhaps its a racehorse and i am more of a short hand cruising sailer.
We have been looking at yachts up to $150,000 knowing that its a buyers market.
I prefer not to consider importing even there are great buys outside NZ.
Please Help. Open to suggestions !!!!!!!
Open CPN charts
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Hi All
Found this old topic Charts for Pacific Island for Open Cpn . I already have the standard download from LINZ with NZ charts but its limited on Fiji Samoa and Tonga Details.
Thank you for your help.