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Getting colder and harder to do stuff now. Haven't been stuck yet with bay freezing to about 1/2 inch overnight . Locals keep saying it will get cold soon! Shortest day not far away.
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A very sad event.
This did make us have a think onboard our yacht. We have one self tailing power winch in the cockpit. The winch has the breaker inside the companionway so you can trip it easily. Self tailing also allows us to keep clear of lines and drum.
Anchor windlass breaker is down aft, a long way from the capstan and control... We do have a remote control with no switches on deck, but obviously there is two solenoids below decks.
Hopefully others have a think and discussion about this and their own boats.
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Well looks like the NZ spring is colder than November at 60 north.
We are just getting snow down to sea level now. Has been a few hundred metres up for a while but now down to deck level. Doesn't make getting out of bed easy each morning.
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A friend arrived in Auckland on the second to last plane before airport closed due to strong winds. They sat on plane for two hours unable to leave due to the wind strength.
i have seen this in Wellington a couple of times in the eight years I lived there but never heard of it in Auckland. Must have been a real good blow...
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Just to bring us back on task has anyone got any first hand experience with the new voltage certificate system?
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31 minutes ago, waikiore said:
Even if the yacht was never 'exported just sailed off on a cruise' owned by kiwis when left and owned
by kiwis on return? I find that hard to believe the boat is NZ registered .
Yup it does suck but is the same in most countries and catches people out sometimes. As Carpe Diem states you need to manage where the sale transaction takes place e.g. you may sail the vessel back to nz on behalf of the previous owners and then, once it is back in NZ, undertake the sale/purchase.
Overall the thing to remember is that registration is no guarantee of duty paid status.
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2 hours ago, Pecco said:
Sorry, it has probably been said before....
If you do go Polish or whatever other offshore flag, do you then have to leave Nz every two years or pay duties?
Or because the boat was built in NZ there is nothing to pay?
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Our yachts have all been registered overseas and our current OVNI is registered in Poland.
The country of registration makes no difference on duty paid status. If your boat is duty paid then there is no duty to pay when you re-enter NZ regardless of registration.
There is no limit on time a duty paid vessel can be in NZ. The registration makes no difference.
people often get duty paid confused with vessel registration. Two different items.
However if you buy a NZ duty paid boat while it is out in NZ be prepared to pay duty on it when you return. And if you are nd NZ citizen registering a boat offshore to temporarily bring in a non duty paid boat be prepared to duty on arrival.
our boats are all dity paid and we make great pains to keep prove if this e.g. vessel history in NZ, bill of sale, mooring receipts, duty receipt etc.
happy sailing
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I was wondering if anyone has any updates on how the new system of Overseas Voyage Certificate has been operating (the system that replaced Cat1)?
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We are currently in Geographic Harbour Alaska and have noticed nothing unusual up here. We were in Unalaska Island for the Alaska quake a few months ago and no issues then either.
both warnings did make us consider where we were anchored and if we needed to head to sea or move, or get the hell up a hill quickly.
I would rather get the warning or advisory early and then make my own decisions. The later the warning the less options I have.-
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5 hours ago, Zozza said:
You are equating wearing a life jacket on a tender ride / row to shore to wearing a seatbelt in a car.
Seriously?
There are many aspects to this debate. But, if you’re so worried about danger on a dinghy ride to shore, maybe you should wear a helmet and elbow pads too just in case you trip over your own paranoia. Life jackets have their place, but rowing a tender isn’t one of them. They restrict arm movement, catch on oar handles, and can actually tip you in if they snag at the wrong moment. Not to mention if you do end up in the water and the jacket rolls you face-down, congratulations - you just upgraded from safe arrival to slow drowning. Let’s use some judgement instead of mandating stupidity for everyone.Oh dear, do read posts thoroughly and take time to understand what has been said prior to hitting the keyboard.
2 hours ago, Black Panther said:Anecdotes are not evidence.
I went out in a dinghy once and nothing bad happened
and evidence should be the basis for all decisions, quite agree.
4 hours ago, Psyche said:About the same number of people die at work as they do on the water. What does that mean IDK, but clearly we need a law against it? Obesity kills people early, so does smoking, ergo having a nice greasy chicken and chips then a smoke at lunch should be legislated against. Maybe we should tax KFC, what about charging management for being criminally negligent? Some people actually want to go down that track, the point is that there will always be these opposing forces where one group of stern but sensible types try and push their agenda on people who believe in personal responsibility. Put the money into education, the facts are pretty clear most drownings 80% are males, drowning in craft are about 30% of the total and
"The majority of craft drowning deaths occur in the older age groups, with 72% of these deaths recorded among individuals over the age of 45. The most common age group for such deaths is between 55-64 years. Over half of the total craft drowning deaths occur in offshore environments, while 24% of the deaths happened in tidal waters and 10% in rivers and streams"
What does this mean, I presume offshore is not in a bay rowing to shore, about 80 people drown a year approximately 25 die in craft, of those 12 die in inshore waters. What craft are we talking about- runabouts, paddle boards or the dreaded tin dinghy? Whatever it is, it's insignificant compared to other causes of death yet because any boating death or tragedy makes the news cycle (any yacht in trouble offshore is front page) then its easy pickings for politicians.
Yes it is politicians who make the decisions and it is those politicians you should pass your thoughts to in a reasoned, clear and no aggressive submission. Good on those people who do take the time to do that.
4 hours ago, K4309 said:You answered your question in asking it.
you clearly identified one craft is stable (Nice stable inflatable), the other with no freeboard and by your inference is overloaded. You asked "so how do you tell the difference between..." then explained exactly how to tell the difference. QED.
There are already rules and requirements regarding safety going out to get a feed in an overloaded trademe dinghy. The irony is that those rules aren't ever applied until there is a coronial inquiry.
The extension of this question is why are you so hell bent on protecting people from themselves?
Sure you can throw resources at it around staff hours carrying out enforcement. But if you are looking for a net benefit to society, why not use those staff hours for mental health support instead of weirdos hiding in mangroves with a camera trying to catch out otherwise safe and honest people going about their private business? People are crying out for access to therapists / crisis councillors, yet you want to spend your efforts fining people for something that is a very low risk activity. Do you not see the logic fail there?
I don't see Grant suggest spending money and effort on something that is low risk.
I hope everyone is going to put a submission in to the private members bill currently progressing through parliament. The bill is about a national rule for mandatory wearing of life jackets on vessels 6m and under.
I can remember grumpy old men condemning early windsurfers when I was a kid. Dangerous sport, always looks like they are in trouble, inconsiderate etc. Windsuring carried on regardless. Now it seems the modern generation of grumpy old men have turned 180 degrees and don't want things banned. I wonder what the old grumpy old men would say about the new generation of grumpy old men?
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It seems to be a common theme of modern times that some people don't think about the effects their own actions may have on others. In this case it is a choice not to wear a life jacket.
yeah I know a sunny day rowing ashore etc etc, I could swim it but I can't row a dinghy without a life jacket, and each region is different.
I don't think the change in any rule will make some people suddenly wear a life jacket in the dinghy, hell they have been required to carry life jackets in the dinghy for many years (rule 91) but many don't.
But of course the current private members bill is on its journey through parliament which could, if passed, require all booties to wear a PFD on vessels 6m or less. No differing regional rules there.
Good on those who have put their thoughts in words and made a submission.
We never used to wear seat belts as kids in the 70's and now there are all sorts of rules and requirements . Society changes with time.There is a lovely thread on the YBW forum about grumpy old mean moans. Quite entertaining and every subject about boating comes up. Best part is some people have realised they are grumpy old men and are learning to live with it as current view points change around them.
for me having a PFD in my dinghy is not a major issue and if I have to wear it all the time, rather than when I have been for drink or it's rough etc, then I shall pop it on. Not a major inconvenience really, and it might just save my life one day.
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16 minutes ago, waikiore said:
Ah the safer boating forum .... nameless people based in Wellington ?
Actually a group of people from industry bodies, sporting associations and local and central government from all over NZ. Their names will be on every meeting minutes which is available under the OIA. Yes one or two may even be from Wellington.
sadly I was working when a person slipped from his moored yacht while getting into the dinghy one winter day in Auckland. He could not get back into his dinghy, not even with help from a nearby boater. He did not have strength to hold on to his friends dinghy as he was pulled towards the shore and drowned.
I cannot imagine the effect that had on his friend who watched him die, the St. John's staff and police ashore and his family. A life jacket may have helped him stay afloat and be towed to shore...-
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As a HM for 22 years in NZ I can confirm that councils do more for wreck removal than any $50 fee covers. Most boats at the stage of a wreck don't usually have an owner and as boat registration is not complulsory this is unlikely to change.
With current costs on everyone and older boats having little appeal to new buyers this problem will not go away. There is enough issue with cars being dumped and no owner traceable even when there is a comprehensive registration in place.what the answer is I am not sure but the problem exists, $50 won't pay for it, councils do follow up on debt, and at the end of the day society as a whole is unlikely to continue saying "just slap it on the rates".
I was in Guam a couple of months back and there are several yacht wrecks around the anchorage now. I also know from my last visit to the UK that the wreck issue is far larger in UK and Europe.
As for the HM taking boats before they become a wreck I just imagine the public indignation (especially some people on here) when their boat is taken and destroyed. Calls of "it just needed some paint" or "it was worth $100K" would be screamed. And of course there is no legal power to just take someone's property in the marine world.
its a problem we are stuck with until we can sort out a suitable solution. Europe has some fees charged on new items that will eventually pay for suitable disposal. Maybe something like that? But it doesn't sort the current issue. Of course we would have no issue if every boat owner was honest and responsible...
have a great weekend sailing
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On 2/05/2025 at 3:40 PM, Bad Kitty said:
Anyone got any updates on this?
Experiences departing recently?
Thanks,
We have always maintained overseas registration of our yachts. Swapped to Poland when UK SSR required a residency in UK rather than just citizenship. Registration in Poland was quick and easy via one of the online registration agents.
We departed Opua in early March and had no issues. We did make it clear the vessel was NZ duty paid so reentry is easier. Cleared in ton Guam 30 days later no issues and now clearing into USA (Alaska) with no issues.
registration of vessels is no new thing and many yachts use flags that are not the country of residence of the owner, no big deal.
NZ Customs have always been very pro and helpful for us no matter what flag we are flying ( although I might be proved wrong if we registered in Russia).
happy cruising
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Great news for NZ. These have been planned for some time so good to see they are here and in use.
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we use a product called “peller clean” . Last fine for 2.5 years between our haulouts. Same pack we started about 2012. The topcoat is still useable nd working fine so no issues with having to throw it away.
works for us
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We had been on the UK SSR until recently when residency requirements change. We have now registered in Poland.
Polish registry certificate does not have renewal/expiry.
We found a local agent to complete the paperwork on our behalf as our Polish is non existent. A very prompt and professional service.
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Wondering if the yacht ever came ashore somewhere, was salvaged or is still out there somewhere. Anyone know?
cheers
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19 hours ago, Zozza said:
Couple $0.00 of these boats on T/Me today, one of them a Cav 32 no less: https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/boats-marine/yachts/keeler/listing/3819869904?bof=HxCIjjuz
A quick look at the advert shows that is not likely to be a Cav 32 but I expect there will be some pop up as abandoned soon, and the H28 too. Is sad to see.
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On 13/03/2022 at 4:42 PM, Salinesolution said:
Is it Kero stove parts your after?
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sorry for the tardy response. I have a gas stove rather that kero. Thanks
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We have a long loved Broadwater stove and would like to keep it going...
If anyone has an old Broadwater stove they do not want/need I would welcome a discussion to see if we may be able to help.
Please feel free to reply here or message me on the site.
many thanks
Jim D
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4 hours ago, Jon said:
they should have sent a barge out as soon as it grounded (harbour master that is)
there job is surely to look after the harbour ?
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The Council and Harbourmaster are empowered by the Maritime Transport Act 1994. Wreck issues are very clearly dealt with
"33JRemoval of wrecks by regional council
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A regional council may take steps in accordance with this section to remove and deal with any wreck within its region that is a hazard to navigation."
Likely a bit of a stretch to say that wreck was a hazard to navigation when it is hard on the rocks in 1 metre of water and not likely to float off.
Not is states "Council" and not "Harbourmaster" i.e. it is a power of the elected officials. If you read the section of the Act the Harbourmaster has many powers but removal of wrecks is not one of those.
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18 hours ago, Jon said:
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When does an grounded wreck become abandoned officially ?
The Maritime Transport Act 1994 guides us. Note tyhe requirement to be a "hazard to navigation" may be that it is not deemed a hazard where this one lies. May than use 33L which is about 'abandoned' vessels. Tight parameters though. The Resource Management Act 1991 does also offer solutions where the vessel/wreck breaches a rule or is discharging a pollutant (breaking up would do that). Again all down to interpretation.
33JRemoval of wrecks by regional council
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A regional council may take steps in accordance with this section to remove and deal with any wreck within its region that is a hazard to navigation.
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The regional council may—
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require the owner of the wreck, or an agent of the owner, to remove the wreck within a time and in a manner satisfactory to the regional council:
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destroy, dispose of, remove, take possession of, or sell a wreck (or any part of it) if—
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the regional council has made reasonable efforts to find the owner or agent; and
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the owner or agent cannot be found or fails to remove the whole of the wreck within the time specified or in a manner satisfactory to the regional council.
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The regional council may reimburse itself from the proceeds of any sale of the wreck for any actual expenses incurred in removing the wreck (but must pay any balance owing to the owner of the wreck).
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The regional council may recover the expenses incurred in removing a wreck as a debt owed by the owner of the wreck in any court of competent jurisdiction.
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We have a Seabird 2.6 as one of our tenders. A small boat for two adults but ok in calm to slight conditions. Rows fine and sails fine also. We enjoy the options of being able to row, sail or use the 2hp outboard. The boat is not as sweet to look at as the Townson Dinghy.
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Yup a Dickinson heater, 3 inch flue. On the lowest setting the heater keeps the inside at 15 to 20 degrees above outside temperature. Tested down to minus 10 C although coldest this trip is mini 6 so far. Got a good cold snap over Alaska just started. Forecasting down to minus 20 where we are.
great simple heaters the Dickinson and fitted to most of the local commercial boats here who report they are fine over winter. We also have a second heating system independent of the Dickinson.