It's this.. Err, No it's this.. Err, Sorry we aren't sure

[Guest]

Sussing possible options to get Turbos playing nicely beside Standards and saw these two interesting snippets.

 

All from the YNZ website

 

What is PHRF?

 

* PHRF (Performance Handicapping Racing Fleet) is a handicapping system based upon a boats calculated performance in races.

* PHRF is not a rating system such as IRC, IMS or ORC Club but is a performance-based handicap.

* Computation and adjustment of handicaps is undertaken on the basis of results of PHRF fleet, divisional or class races.

But hang on a moment -

In a detailed review, for each PHRF category (Inshore, Offshore and short-handed), the review considers the following :

 

- how often you raced

- how you placed and the 'sailed-to' calculations for how you performed

- numbers of boats in and conditions of the race if known

- significance of the race or series

- your prior race history

- expected PHRF range for your boat design

I think someone needs to get editing the website.

[Murky 1]

I'd take that as meaning a "review" involves a bit more science and consideration than just plugging in the results. That'd be what you want, wouldn't it - to weed out the [possibility of] adjustments made on the basis of abnormal or one-off kind of results?

[Guest]

Na, just thinking that as PHRF is often a contentious subject the ducks should be lined up more especially in the public view. There shouldn't be one page something saying 'adjustment of handicaps is undertaken on the basis of results' and on the next page saying 'expected PHRF range for your boat design'. Those 2 comments are mutually exclusive in this context.

 

I just think someone needs to line up all the info one way or the other.

 

Every boat gets reviewed at least once each year and it must be pretty time consuming going on the fee

[Guest]

I'm working through some of these exact same queries with the PHRF committee at present. Once I have all my answers from them I'll share. KM, give me a call and I'll give up an update.

[MrWolf 0]

There shouldn't be one page something saying 'adjustment of handicaps is undertaken on the basis of results' and on the next page saying 'expected PHRF range for your boat design'. Those 2 comments are mutually exclusive in this context.

 

 

I don't think those statements are that bad, I was kind of a bit surprised by your post actually. Both statements seem a pretty good indication of what they are trying to achieve.

[Murky 1]

There really is a lot of info on that page if you want to pick up on individual sections but I'm not getting the same whiff of conspiracy e.g.:

..the PHRF review committee applies its own knowledge and 'common sense' factors to minimise discrepancies. For these reasons, a boat’s overall PHRF may well not be the simple average of individual races held in the system or the average of those races displayed on the race history report.

I think the word "review" is being used in the sense of "I do not agree with my PHRF and formally request a review." If you had instigated that process, wouldn't you expect them to be listening to some of those other factors that you wanted to point out?

 

http://www.yachtingnz.org.nz/CMSContent ... 8b598e6e75

for any who may be wondering.

[Guest Dry Reach]

I'm working through some of these exact same queries with the PHRF committee at present. Once I have all my answers from them I'll share. KM, give me a call and I'll give up an update.

 

 

Update for all? or just some?

[Guest]

There shouldn't be one page something saying 'adjustment of handicaps is undertaken on the basis of results' and on the next page saying 'expected PHRF range for your boat design'. Those 2 comments are mutually exclusive in this context.

 

 

I don't think those statements are that bad, I was kind of a bit surprised by your post actually. Both statements seem a pretty good indication of what they are trying to achieve.

 

No the statements aren't bad but they are conflicting.

 

'on the basis of results' implies the number is found due to what the boat actually does on a race track.

'expected PHRF range for your boat design' implies someone/s pick a number and you have to sail to that.

 

They are quite differing animals. Whether it's the yearly review or interim ones is irreverent.

 

It's a Handicapping or a Rating system or a hybrid blend depending on how you read the assorted pages on the YNZ website. There should be one clear definition of which it is and I don't think reading the website you can say there is.

 

Nor do I see a conspiracy, all I see is published conflicting info on how the numbers are reached. If there is a clear path there is no need to have conflicting comments published. Someone needs to get editing and line up those ducks in the interest of clarity or 'transparency' as is the catch phrase at the moment.

 

God knows what 'significance of the race or series' means. I find that a tad worrying actually. In a sport the public often see as Elitist I would have thought the sports National Body wouldn't be trying to jump on that bandwagon as well. Sorry Whataphuka YC, the committee has pondered and has decided you have been deemed Insignificant, your results have been excluded.

 

As with a recent discussion re some offshore race reports, the writer/s are irrelevant. All of the comments are sitting under a YNZ letterhead.