Mentor/Teacher Wanted

[Beccara 25]

Hi All,

 

We're looking for someone ex Northland or Auckland that has experience with cat's and maybe even single engine cat's. We've had our Wharram Tiki 38ft cat for a few years now and we're still quite timid with her so we're looking for someone with experience who can come out with us and help build our confidence with her, We are Whangarei based and would like a few coastal shake downs with someone and then maybe aim for GB/Auckland. We're happy to pay for all of this but really would like someone who might have a background in sailing education.

 

Posted in the classified as we're offering to pay so thought it best go here

 

 

Cheers

[Island Time 1,239]

Hi Beccara,

 

Well, what exactly is the issue?

 

I do a bit of this type of thing, but I am not a multihull specialist. I do have some time on them though.

 

Is it boat handling, or confidence in wind conditions, when to reef etc, just general experience  a bit further offshore, or all of the above?

 

Send me a PM or give me a call on 0221539176 if you would like to talk about options.

 

Cheers

Matt

[ex TL systems 63]

Hi I think I walked past your boat on a pontoon at the basin last week?,it looked like it would benefit from losing a few kilos ,seemed to sit fairly low, multis do not like to be overloaded and it is easy to get too much gear if you are living aboard.They will sail and handle a lot better if kept light. Was sailing a Tiki 38 recently and was impressed by how it went, a lot of people assume they won,t sail well but if kept light and clean a Wharram can sail well.

If you have a single motor either inboard or outboard I would look out for another outboard, apart from the extra manoeverability it is also good to have the backup when in tight situations if your main motor fails for any reason,there is lots of options to mount a outboard on a wharram , even a motor from your dinghy can help.

[Beccara 25]

Hi ex,

 

That would be her sister ship that is on loan to Oceans Watch and just came back from the islands. The tiki 38 has a payload support of around 2000kg over the boat as built to plans, Given the size/space it's actually a bit hard to overload them but it is easy to off balance them from front to rear. Having said that they do sit low in the water normally, Wharram doesnt like alot of freeboard!.

 

We are considering going back to twin 9.9 high thrust OB's from the single mid mounted 25hp we have at the moment but that will be a wee while away.

 

Matt, I'll give you a call when i get some free time

 

 

Cheers!

[Island Time 1,239]

Hi Beccara, no problem, whatever suits. I think what ExTLS is saying is not that the boat is necessarily overloaded, but that it would sail better with less weight. Multihulls are notorious for loss of performance when loaded up. Monos are a lot better for carrying weight. Multis performance drops off faster, and to a greater percentage, than an equivalent sized mono. This is one of the reasons why heavy transport ships are monohull, and high speed ferries (people are considered light) are usually multihulls. Something to think about. 

 

Twin motors on cats are better - one central engine is more prone to lifting from the water in rough conditions as the hull spans a trough, and twins give more options, incl redundancy and manoeuvrability.

[ex TL systems 63]

Beccarra ,Yes the twin yammy 9.9 hp is generally regarded as the ideal set up for your boat , I have had both twin motors and a few cats with single set ups like yours, both work well but I prefer twins. By the way I have just agreed to buy a nice Tiki 38 with 2 2 stroke outboards and will look to swap to 4 strokes before long. As Island time said redundancy is important and I always like to have 2 motors running if manoevering around other boats in a marina etc, it 1 motor fails it is not such a problem,  hopefully won,t end up on the rocks. You could keep your 25 hp and have anothwer smaller motor as back up and manoevering. I have only had 1 cat with diesel motors and avoiding their hassles is one of the reasons i have chosen the Wharram for my next boat.

[Beccara 25]

 

While i've got your attention, The inboard/outboard thing has cropped up in terms of reliability in my reading - When you're offshore and are forced to motor for 48-72 hours straight would you have any concerns about running an OB for that long under motor?

[Beccara 25]

Might have to make me a "sh*t Beccara doesn't know" thread where i can ask away!

 

Thanks KN/Ex

[ex TL systems 63]

For long term and distance cruising I would consider a diesel in 1 hull for its charging ability , low fuel use / low flammability risk allowing you to carry plenty of fuel safely and keeping the prop in the water at all times. [ outboards may cavitate in rough seas ] and 1 outboard as backup and manoevering. If you cruise up around Indonesia etc it seems there are times when there is no wind and you may want to motor for a week , for that you may need a diesel . The outboards hanging below the deck are fairly suceptible to getting swamped or even damaged in rough weather whereas a belowdecks diesel will be kept warm and dry.If you have to motor against wind and tide in steep chop outboards will definately struggle. However there are plenty of Wharrams that have made major trips with outboards,