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I've looked into the registration and cat 1 thing quite a lot over the last 5 years. Both are quite different, as far as I can tell, from the GST/customs importing thing. Actually, they're completely separate.
Registration
From my research, a vessel can be registered as a NZ ship (Part B - previously also Part A but now horribly expensive) as long as the majority owner is a NZ citizen OR a natural person who has "the right of residency" in NZ. (i.e. my German wife)
A NZ registered ship does not need to be Cat 1 to sail to NZ. But it does to leave NZ.
So it's my understanding that a boat can be bought (legally) or constructed anywhere in the world and so long as it's not registered elsewhere, can be registered in NZ. All that's required is a survey for length measurement only from a NZ approved surveyor in EU, and some kind of proof of ownership - which I guess differs depending upon if you bought it new or second hand, had it constructed, or built it yourself.
A NZ registered ship can ply European waters (and any international waters?) under the regulations of the flag country (NZ). I'm not sure how this applies to skipper and crew qualifications - except that in inland EU you need the CEVNI endorsement (online) and some proof of your competency, usually a Certificate of Competency much like our Boatmaster's but with an additional practical element.
I believe, as far as I know, that the EU authorities can not force you to be Cat 1 when you leave EU waters. And as you are Flagged NZ, they can not force you to be to any EU standard (classification A, B, C etc.)
To do so would infringe upon the International Laws of Freedom of Navigation.
Having said that, I'm not sure I'd leave EU and head across two oceans without most of the things on the Cat1 list - including the pregnancy test.
Tax/GST
It's a bit more murky here, but I understand, from having read the customs stuff that the necessity to pay GST/import duties on the purchase price (or value) of the boat depends up on your residency status in NZ, and how long you intend for the vessel to stay in the country (imported). If you are resident in NZ, then you have to pay - unless you can somehow prove the GST was paid in NZ already in the situation the vessel was built in NZ and the GST was indeed paid.
However, if you are moving to NZ (relocating a permanent residence) for the first time, you may import a number of items free of tax/customs. One of those items is a car, one is a ship, along with most of your household goods and chattels. I'm not 100% sure if you need to own the ship for more than a certain number of years prior to arriving but I think it might be 2y if so, much like a number of other goods, SO LONG AS you do not sell the vessel within two years of your arrival in NZ.
If you sail a foreign registered ship to NZ and it remains in NZ for greater than a certain number of days, then it is deemed to be imported and the above rules on GST/import duties apply.
Them's what I understands...
Happy to be corrected on any point - but I naturally will be disappointed if i find out otherwise.
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Buy that man a drink!
Well done, Mate!
How about a rum in Jan?
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Managed to hit 16 knts 2 up in about 12 knts of breeze on Sat. 12 knts is about the most we've ever seen on our lake so although it's not a super fast record, it's pretty good for our millpond.
Unfortunately managed to turn the tiller into match sticks when righting from a capsize
. It must have got hooked on the mainsheet which flipped through on righting and, catching the breeze in the main, just smashed it clean off the rudder box.Did manage to sail the boat back to the harbour though, by carefully balancing the main while holding the rudder box with the other hand. Christina hiking very actively to keep the boat pointing in remotely the right direction.
Need to think of some better design for this. The tiller is supposed to be glued solidly to the rudderbox, but having the ability to lift the tiller and give some space on the tiny deck while dicking around in the common superlight breeze, is really very useful
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38°C here this weekend. Madness set in...
Was Dr Marino's stag. We set him adrift to see if he could catch some mermaids...
5h on the river, and he didn't catch a thing!!!
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That is a large difference. How long does it take to save the extra 1000?
Just wondering. I know it's not easy.
But it's not going to get easier unless we support each other.
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I have looked hard at sail lofts in Asia, and although some sails are well made, I would still support a locally cut and stitched product, purely because I want to support local.
If the local sailmakers lose our support, there will be a tipping point where the local lofts are no longer sustainable, and we no longer have the choice. Everything will come from China. Without the local competition or choice, after all sails start to come from Asia and the locals are gone, the cheaper asian product will escalate in price to be the same as or more expensive than the original locally made product, but will still be a cheap offshore quality. It's already happened with tools...
I try very hard to prevent the loss of that consumer choice and harder still to help maintain the realistic price of good quality.
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It's a gem alright. Has been on my "must see" list for some time now.
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probably not your thing... but in your price range....
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Had dinner aboard.
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You figured out how to get it outside when finished?
The solution to that equation will be determined in due course...lol
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My 3 extra hours per day are starting to pay off...
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Yeah, I'm worried about that, lol.
I'd rather believe it was something I haven't got right in the setup before I start considering the sailmaker might have not got it quite right...
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Tired of never having any wind we finally got a trailer sorted and headed 200km down and East across the country to Lac Neuchatel.
As you can see, there was a lot more wind...
But after looking at the pretty reflections of mountains for almost the whole weekend, we were rewarded with about an hour of 10-15knts on Sunday evening as a thunderstorm came blasting across the lake, giving us the chance, after 3years, of getting the genny up during a bit more blow and having a play. No photos, unfortunately, but at least some fun was had.
But my question is about getting rid of that set of wrinkles in the main, right there where they disturb the flow about 2/3 up. Kind of looks like I need more curve in that part of the mast, but more mast bend is hard to get with the current rig set up. Play with battons? I've tutu'd with that second batton up but no luck. Re-cut the luff?
Trying to avoid drastic things...
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OK so this is the achievement of about 4 weekends. Tracking down and buying this. It doesn't look very boaty yet, but that plank is 800mm wide and nearly 9m long, 36mm thick... I'll need to scarf it together to get the 12m I need, but I'm pretty sure that will go without a hitch. FSC Sipo.
Progress is slow but steady. Every month or two, another larger item ticked off the list. In this case, material for keel plank, sheer clamps, floors, and trim. Now needing some timber for stringers. Bulkheads already cut and stacked.
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This is really cool and a good thing.
I've often felt that sailing could help kids and teens who are otherwise at a loose end to avoid the pitfalls of life.
Christina just said that instead of becoming street kids and thieves they'll now become pirates
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hmmm
Just had a look at the registration documents. Originally we were going to register in section A, but it now costs 2400!! or so. Also in Part B, so long as my wife is eligible to NZ residency (a given) then she, as a sole owner, can register the boat as a NZ vessel (not possible in Part A - she can only own 31 of 64 shares). Then sail away from Europe for a year or more and land in NZ, She's moving there for the first time.... et voila!
Of course it doesn't have to be registered as a NZ vessel but it will be easier when leaving Europe, and also easier when sailing around Europe if it's NZ and not German registered. As I understand it in general the rules of the flag country apply to the required qualifications of the skippers.
Of course she could always register it in Langkawi... But is it better to have NZ flag or Malaysian?
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I vaguely remember there is some rule that if you are bringing in something for personal use that you have owned for a while then no charge, but I could well be wrong, never done it, but I seem to remember car people bringing vehicles back.
That also applies to boats but generally only those that will fit on a trailer. Anything bigger you have to be coming to NZ to live for the first time before you can get a no-GST exemption on it.
http://www.customs.govt.nz/news/resources/factsheets/Documents/Fact%20Sheet%2029.pdf
Good spot, it's there in the fine print. guess my non kiwi wife will be owning the boat then!
Hmmmmm, Along those lines. I guess our boat will be 100% owned by my non-kiwi wife also. But... for the boat to be NZ registered it needs to be majority owned by a Kiwi Citizen (or resident?). Can She then get residency (or citizenship) before moving there? Making it her, moving to NZ for the first time (as a citizen or resident) therefore bringing the boat in Duty and GST exempt. Tricky.
I mean we'd just rather not pay tax on something again after already having paid tax on it in Europe. Seems fair, no?
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I'm still wondering how we'l go about bringing our boat in and how the GST and duty will be calculated.
As we're building it ourselves, there is not really a "purchase" price. Sure there will be receipts to prove what we spent. But the base boat cost will be quite low. Kitting it out for the sail home will cost, of course, but can these things be considered as items which will be worthless when we get home? ie deprecated? I don't imagine the sail wardrobe will be looking too flash by the time we hit NZ and I'm guessing that half the other things will be worn out and worthless (various electronics, skipper, crew...)
Does it all depend on when you determine the time of purchase to be?... is it when I buy (bought) the first sheets of plywood? When I bought the plans? When I put it in the water sans rig and sails? when i get everything working and can sail coastal? When it's registered as a NZ ship (cause it won't be registered as anything else...)
It's not like there is a well established market value for a new home built 40 foot plywood boats built from 20y old plans by a half mad expats.
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looking good
What's your projected sail/area displacement?
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So how far can you go and still be within class rules?
I'd love to come try that free rum n coke... but... my backs a little iffy and I have this interhemispheric issue
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Defence on Friday 13 September...party on the 14th if anyone is around.
She already hand sanded the little one twice over, I think I'd be pushing my luck!
Still, it'll be a little ways off before we break out the long board... maybe she'll have forgotten by then?
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Well, this weekend was...good... nah... great... nah, AWESOME!
Christina handed in her PhD thesis.
So we went sailing together for the first time this summer
(it's only my third time this summer also)Managed 7.1kts in about 6 knts of breeze averaging 0 knts.
And even got a sunburn of freedom
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Gee, I'm actually kinda glad you posted what appears to be advertising in the forum because i just re-read this interesting thread
. It must have got hooked on the mainsheet which flipped through on righting and, catching the breeze in the main, just smashed it clean off the rudder box.
Yacht registration
in MarineTalk
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Singapore is pretty boring anyway... no need to even stop there I would have thought, unless you need a "corruption free" Asian port...