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Very well spoken 4309. A few people on this forum need to school themselves up on what went on at both Cycling NZ and Canoe Sports NZ and then consider the similarities with what has been reported at YNZ. And then consider what the Sports Integrity Commission has been looking at for 3 months.

Considering you admit you know almost nothing of what happened at those two sports perhaps you could enlighten yourself , and then offer this forum your apologies and ask the moderator to remove your post.

Just see above Mr Psyche !

Some people just refuse to acknowledge that which is in plain view in front of them. If there is nothing much to see perhaps YNZ would have made the Arotake document publicly available ? You did read it didn't you ? Particularly Para's 14a and 17a. YNZ's conduct was widely condemned. What needed changing in the High Performance System, well just about everything. The Sports Integrity Commission have been working on this for 3 months now. Receiving submissions from both those that were and those that were not allowed to make submissions to YNZ's invitation only affair. And since th

The Sports Integrity Commission inquiry has been running for 3 months now and has seen very substantially more submitters than the 50 or so at the invItation only affair at the YNZ offices. The issues revealed by the SIC will be similar in nature to those that were found at Cycling NZ and Canoe Racing NZ. I think the people polishing their CV's right now will be a fair few YNZ management and board members. Some other than our soon to depart Great Dear Leader have done the decent thing and have already gone.

Well I can think of many reasons why it is our business . If you read the Arotake report which I repeatedly posted to this sight you would find many yourself. Or the fact that 18,000 of us pay YNZ $540,000 or so by way of subs. And that we the taxpayer have given YNZ over the last 12 years about $35 million in 2024 dollars. And they are supposed to be their for our benefit and not the other way round. Or that when the Sports Integrity Commission report back more than Abercrombie will be departing. They are still taking submissions 3 months after they started. Or like running out of sa

Did he jump or was he pushed ? The most benevolent thing one could say about our soon to depart Great Supreme Leader was that he jumped milliseconds before he was to be pushed. The "internal" review was about as bad as any in the history of NZ sporting management. His position had become wholly untenable. To believe otherwise one would have to believe; Elvis is still alive, the Earth is flat, and that man landing on the moon was faked. But then you would also have to believe the review was wholly internally initiated. Because in November Chris Bishop the M

Well here's the "inhouse ' report written by Kereyn Smith which YNZ has sat on for the last 3 months. Not a word to their masters the affiliated clubs or the rank and file sailors in 3 months. Not a word. To say it is an absolute condemnation of their high performance program is to be minimalist . It is an absolute total evisceration. If nothing else just read paras 14 & 17 of that report below and answer the question, did he jump or was he pushed ? A clue , could the report have been any worse ? And the Sports Integrity Commission report is yet to come. As I said a wee

And what I mean by ' having a fair bit to say about what's going on, is that she is calling a lot of the shots now. All will be revealed soon, but remember you heard about it first at crew.org

I see someone new seems to have a fair bit to say about what's going on at YNZ. I wonder who SHE can be ? Why haven't we been told ? All will be revealed soon, but remember , you heard about it first at Crew.org

At least the gentleman above got to the Olympics Mr Psyche. Unlike far too many Kiwi sailors who won slots to the Olympics and weren't sent. But no one in this thread has blamed YNZ for a lack of Olympic success. What contributors on this thread are saying YNZ has to be held accountable for the mess it has gotten NZ Olympic sailing into, the conduct revealed in its own internal inquiry ,and that which will revealed in the Sports Integrity Commission inquiry. YNZ must have been totally insensitive, tone deaf and blind to the lessons it should have learned from the damming inquiries i

Much the same could be said of Rowing NZ, Cycling NZ and Canoe Sports NZ. They kept winning medals. But should that have absolved these bodies for all for their subsequently exposed misconduct and failings towards the athletes and the sports they are supposed to serve ? And the Sports Integrity Commission inquiry into YNZ commenced before YNZ's own internal inquiry was complete. Can you join the dots Mr lebleaux ? Some very grave complaints have been laid in front of the Sports Integrity Commission. If proven these complaints could have very serious consequences. I had lunch today with

Mr lebleaux, I can assure you , I have never been an Olympic hopeful nor has anyone close to me. Other than the Kawau or Russell boating clubs when I'm away cruising at Christmas I haven't been inside a yacht club since 2017/18. But having had a few yacht clubs forward my cash to YNZ over the years I am entitled to comment on these matters. Firstly I wholly support the selection of all those who sailed for NZ at the Paris Olympics. YNZ needs to get a strong dose of reality and take up every Olympic sailing slot one of our sailors wins. As most other nations do. The facts s

Well it's just fortunate that after the injury there was ONE other boat left to select. Had the injury been to crew from the 49er FX, the Nacra, or the ILCA 6 there would have been NOBODY to select for those classes. [ Barring some face saving and shameful chook raffle exercise by YNZ ] Were it not for the two sailors selected on the basis of being "emerging talent" the number of " High Performance " staff on YNZ's payroll would nearly have matched the number of sailors sent to the Olympics. Which is another issue clearly obvious to higher authorities in NZ sport funding and ma

So one of Yachting NZ's managements besties says, " it's nowhere near as bad as it looks. Well that's the problem, it's actually a lot worse than it looks. The speed with which Sports Integrity Commission got into its work says a lot. And I'll believe YNZ initiated their internal inquiry without being forced to do so when much higher authorities than YNZ say so. And it says a lot about YNZ that these two inquiries are needed after they had seen such dreadful results from the recent inquiries into Rowing NZ, Cycling NZ and Canoe Racing NZ. The other issue of maj

There is perhaps a major expectation that if funding is given to YNZ on the basis of a particular class's results mid Olympic cycle, that such funding should be applied to that particular class for the rest of that Olympic cycle . And it seems that is not what has been happened in the recent past. Which is why that issue is one of the complaints to the Sports Integrity Commission. And may also be a subject under investigation in the current urgent review into the allocation of funding by Sport NZ. We can't win medals if no one is sent to the Olympics. Which may be why YNZ

I agree sailing is expensive though no one on this forum is saying YNZ is responsible for those costs. But the issue of great concern to many of us is the unexplicable Olympic selection policy applied to those that have reached the highest levels , who have had the money and support and huge personal effort to get to the top. Apparently hard and fast rules interpreted in novel and unique ways to enable some selections, whilst others you would think equally worthy of such policy re-interpretation are left behind. NZ Olympic sailing slots were again left empty at the Paris Oly

And further , at the Tokyo Olympics yachting great Peter Lester criticised YNZ for repeatedly leaving NZ Olympic sailing slots empty. At the time a crew from Indonesia I think were coming dead last in a 49er race he was commenting on. But he supported their national body for sending them ,and said it would provide them experience ,show the pathway for others and provide role models to their nations youth . What would he know ?

No one on this forum has suggested we expect gold medals at every event. What has been demanded is that we should be able to expect greater clarity and explanation about the selection /non selection of our Olympic sailors rather than press releases about selections that seem to have been drafted by a team of lawyers and public relations people. No sailor I know was upset that a number of sailors were selected this time against the previously applied rules , but why not say so.? To say a 35 year old first time Olympian at Paris was selected on the basis of emerging talent is tenuous a

Since this has come up again I'll put in my two bob's worth. This was never ever intended to be a YNZ exclusive facility, it was always to be a shared public facility, YNZ 30 % tenant courtesy of the 30% funding supplied on it's behalf by Sports NZ. The rest of the space paid for by NZ Community Trust and the Council was for a broad range of Community groups. Documents obtained by under the OIA by the same gentleman who referred this grubby Harbour Access Trust / YNZ conduct to the Auditor General and the SFO revealed that the Council had pulled its funding some 3 years

Hi , Anyone interested in taking part in a MNZ approved Sea Survival Course for Cat 1 requirements ? We are trying to get numbers for a course Monday 5th July. One of my qualified crew had to cancel so we are short . Next scheduled course is not till much later in the year, too late for a winter time island hop. Drop a line here if you are interested. Thanks