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  1. As Booboo said, it is usually done in a few days at the NZ end. They probably just have that statement to cover any outlying issues 

    The old owners usually need to do the deregistration and then get that to you, this can take time depending upon where it’s currently registered 

  2. 1 hour ago, B.light said:

    Thanks everyone for the advice, very much appreciated!

    Considering there's another whiting 40 that's setup for offshore cruising that's listed for about 50k more (out of my price range), I'm quite happy to put the work and money in over the few years while staying in NZ to get it up to the standard. And then at least it's all new gear and within date when I'm ready to go for it. 

    Asking and selling prices can be very different things

  3. 3 hours ago, Black Panther said:

    Storm jib, trisail, jackstays.

     

    As a starting point let's consider a 40ft family cruiser, well maintained and well equipped but now decided to try a first offshore passage. So only looking at extra expense over continuing to cruise coastal.

    I'm with Matt no change out of 20k.

    What about communication?

    I’ll accept that it’s 20k if your starting from scratch, that’s why it’s always cheaper to start with a boat that’s well setup

    storm jib, trisail and Jackstays aren’t once costs but will have value on many passages and secondhand storm sails are cheap as most never get used

    comms have never been cheaper when you compare starlink to setting up ssb from scratch 

    anyone want to buy my Irridium Go ?  Can’t see myself using it again 

  4. It really comes down to where you are starting from and how much time you have to put into the prep versus paying for it.

    I’m in the middle of it right now (cruising in Fiji) and have spent less than $15k, let’s telly it up 

    Raft. Second hand 3yr old, $1500 - ASS plus Offshore medic $1200 - first aid kit $200 - sail overhaul $2500 - flares, life jacket service, fire extinguishers, eprib $1000 - Two Cat 1 inspections $500 - offshore insurance $4000

    On top of the above but would have done this regardless, you can include or not, haulout and Antifoul including out of water inspection, engine service, rig check including furler greasing, provisions $1000 but this is 4 months food. 
     

    We are finding everything is cheaper in Fiji except alcohol 

    But remember there’s no such thing as a cheap boat, our rig is 7 years old and hull is 15y, it’s always cheaper to start from the highest point you can afford and many of the costs have a expiration or service date so you really need to do them as close to departure as possible.

     

  5. 51 minutes ago, Island Time said:

    Pretty big list. Download it from ynz and you'll see. However contrary to what others on here may say, there is little in the list that I wouldn't have.

    A few things that come to mind as well as your list are:

    A decent autopilot capable of steering in virtually any conditions

    Liferaft, medical kit (several thousand), offshore comms (sat ph, SSB, Starlink, whatever you decide, still a few thou more), steering cables, thorough rudder inspection, tools  spares, courses (sea survival, medical etc). 

    It can/will cost 10s of thousands to get a boat and crew ready.

    Medical kit can be done for a few hundred not thousand, however the ready to go kits are close to that.

    Get all the non scripted stuff from a discount chemist chain, skin stapler and Israeli bandages from online, then take the list of restricted drugs to your doctor when your doing a regular visit, then take this to Belmont Pharmacy or the likes that are used to doing this.

    I did the above and already had a trauma kit that was out of date so used that but you can also just use click clack plastic boxes.

    mine was well under $200

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  6. 6 hours ago, Black Panther said:

    While you are at it, can you waive the need for a gz curve forBP if I wanted to race  offshore.  Probably not going to happen now but that was the final straw last time.

    History would account for a lot if cruising but the Organising Authority will probably require it, but I’ll ask

  7. On 2/08/2023 at 2:10 PM, marinheiro said:

    the cat that sank was an Australian boat rescued in the middle of the night by a NZ boat that was part of the ICNZ rally in what were described as "in a very brave and tricky situation". No doubt the NZ boats ASS and First aid training would have been of assistance

    and your point continues to be the rules should be specially changed just to suit you.

    I asked Jon a reasonable question and await with interest to see his response.

    Yes M they are generally budget and inexperienced sailors, but not all, some are very experienced sailors that have been there done that and have very expensive boats and will be doing it for tax reasons. So the regulations are missing the ones that need it most in my personal opinion ( this is what I’ll take back to YNZ ) not sure what the answer is here, met some great guys on my 4th ASS course earlier this year that planned to head off.

    like you said we hauled a month out so we could depart with new Antifoul and that would be one less issue to worry about up here and on returning 

    Currently in Vuda sorting a mechanical issue but hopefully back out in a day or two.

    As for the toddler that fell from the Wharram I’d say it was a moment of inattention that the parents now have to live with for the rest of their lives, could have been anyone or boat.

    A Maritimo 51 hit the reef a few days ago and chewed up a prop, that is NZ registered and Cat 1, but sh*t happens to anyone anytime.

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  8. 14 hours ago, Guest said:

    I’m getting they all seem to use the YNZ template as per what gear they take but ASS course costs and 5 year renewal,MARINE medic course, out of water inspectio


    I take it “but” means except for?

     

     

    These are the reasons they are giving me for not registering in NZ and finding an alternative 

  9. I’ve been asking kiwi owners on foreign flagged boats that are currently in Fiji why they did it this way with the idea to take this back to YNZ. I sit on both sides of fence (boat owner and YNZ inspector)

    I’m getting they all seem to use the YNZ template as per what gear they take but ASS course costs and 5 year renewal, MARINE medic course, out of water inspection 

    ‘But if you want insurance then your paying one way or the other, cost of insurance is less if you do it properly just to start with.

  10. On 19/07/2023 at 2:33 PM, marinheiro said:

    did Vero prescribe minimum 3 crew for all international passages? I have this stipulation including for the 200 mile passage Vanuatu New Caledonia which is a bit over the top, did it solo in 2019.

    Yes plus they need to be approved by them as suitable 

    We came up with 4, 1 first timer offshore even though he’d done plenty of local stuff in this boat.

    have got 4 experienced for trip home 

     

  11. 2 hours ago, marinheiro said:

    I would be careful making that claim re insurance, might be the case with some insurers but not most. My experience in getting offshore insurance in 2019 and 2023 with Baileys/Vero included the requirements for a vessel condition report by a qualified boat builder or surveyor plus a rig inspection report, in addition to the Cat 1 cert. A mate got a quote from Pantaneius for offshore cover, they wanted a full out of water survey.

    Only speaking from my experience with Vero this season, initially they wanted a survey from a boat builder but then said they were happy to accept the Cat 1.
    Plus some boats I did the Cat 1 on had the same experience, but everyone can have a different experience from the same situation. However each boat will have different requirements due to age and history 

  12. On 8/07/2023 at 4:37 PM, Will Fransen said:

    Hi all.

    I'm interested to hear from anyone who has registered their vessel offshore (such as the Cook Islands), perhaps to avoid the stringent CAT 1 requirements Maritime NZ seem to impose on vessels. I own a well found launch, which is a tad short for Maritime NZ's view of "what is safe". Grateful for any experiences you may have encountered?

    cheers

    Will

    You say you boat is short of Cat 1 ?

    Unless it’s over 24m you will be dealing with a YNZ inspector (and sometimes if over also)

    There are both pros and cons to being NZ registered, on of the pros is most insurance companies will accept your Cat 1 as a survey/inspection for insurance 

    There is some room for alternative solutions to the regs so have a conversation with an inspector before you go off the idea

    Personally I’d not go offshore from NZ without getting an independent inspection of any boat, weather that’s Cat 1 or a marine surveyor unless you’ve done plenty and so has the boat.

    (YNZ safety Inspector currently sitting off Denarau in my own yacht)

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  13. Amazing amount of room for a 36’er 3 queen size bunks and really nice saloon 

    plus goes up wind better than you’d think but it will be a weapon on a reach, could be hard to beat in a normal coastal 

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  14. On 15/05/2023 at 10:10 PM, K4309 said:

    You can get zinc enamel spray paints that would be a good application here. Far easier and cheaper than doing a re-galv. If it is only sitting in a locker it will work fine. Will stop it rusting. As soon as it drags through some sand and shell the zinc paint will come off, but if it is your spare, you can worry about that then. Will stop it rusting in a locker.

    This is exactly what I did, used a can of etch primer after power wire brushing it, then sprayed it with another coat of cold galv 

    now in forward cabin to hopefully never se the light of seabed

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  15. 18 hours ago, raz88 said:

    Not sure the carpenter 29 finished the rni. If you're thinking of halo I think it pulled out due to the crew having to go and deal with the effects of the chc earthquake. 

    But that boat above does look good. My advice would be look for a 30ish foot fiberglass cruiser racer built in nz in the 80s. Carpenter, lidguard, farr 9.2, y88 etc. Be open to any of these, and buy the best looked after one with the best engine/sails/gear/electronics etc.

    Chico and h28 you mention are earlier designs and don't have the performance or space of the above.

     

    Halo is a Mull 9.5

    Stormy Dawn won a RNI with the designer and his wife

  16. Wondering who’s invented this wheel

    Off to Tonga and Fiji this winter and mostly for Fiji I’m wanting the best option for either overlay or seperate device displaying google earth or similar images on my iPad 

    No I don’t want to get an android and like my iPad as it’s simple like me, been googling this for a while and they get technical and start saying download to your laptop bla bla bla 

    Don’t mind paying for an app, but which one works, navionics only show’s images on land or where it thinks the reefs are but we all know that in Fiji there not usually where the chart says

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