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Depends on your boat type also
If your a sports or multi racer then I'd go super comfortable highend
If your cruising then I'd look at lifetime cost, we practically never wear ours (I sailed all the way back from Europe without putting one on) but some boats I wouldn't step foot on without wearing one
I'm guessing most will fall somewhere in between
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Look at service dates as they need to be serviced in accordance with the manufacturers specs
Most are annually some are biannually and at least one brand are user serviceable
At $50 to $60 per jacket it can add up
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Weather is looking light for leg one, but still plenty of time for change
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Ok here's an event for everyone, even them dangerous sub 10m death traps
Sponsored by a really nice guy deep down, maybe he will bring out the reptile for it ?
This is so anti sizist that you pick the distance you want to do !!
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Jon, I thought there a RNZ pencilled in for 2018 at the moment? Do you mean to push this out to 2019? (Which would be good...)
Yes, I lost a year somewhere, must have been off sailing around the world, either physically or mentally
Because it's M2O in 18 if we had the numbers for 19 we would look at it, wouldn't be 20 as that's RNI year again
We would want 12 paid entries six months out to make RNZ happen, but ya never know what will come out of this RNI, if we get another 2011 race it will make it hard but if it's all down wind at 15kts it could be different, but then again 2011 lead into the 2012 RNZ, so disappointment can lead to commitment also.
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Ok so now that my comments on the other race has been pushed into this thread I'll add to them.
We (SSANZ) don't take expressions of interest and promote them as entries
We open our long races and you pay your money to secure a spot, which we limit in number, yes some come and go but it builds commitment early on.
Other clubs put up names of boats that are distant possiblities in the hope it will attract others but imho all it does is attract other distant possiblities
Also I wasn't meaning the whole project is as difficult to do a RNI but comparatively the sailing two handed with a lee shore for 1200nm is just just as difficult if not more so then you compare the yachts that come from the central region that do this twice.
Consequently we will run another Round New Zealand race as soon as we get enough commitment
Probably not 2017 by current indications but possibly 2018
This race is much harder than any race to the islands, what with sailing into the southern ocean and 2500nm, sure it may be in 4 legs but leg 2 from Mangonui is almost as far as either Fiji or Tonga
There is a reason why only 14 yachts have ever raced around NZ
As for cost I've heard of one yacht spending 60k on just sails for the RNI
The cost difference between Cat 2 and Cat 1 is hundreds not thousand
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And they wonder why they can't get fleets
Sometimes you have to commit to things and even invest to make them grow
Don't think I'm just knocking here as I'm the RO for the only offshore race in NZ in 2017, sure it starts and finishes in Alk but if you haven't done the RNI you may think it's easier than sailing offshore
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You've all got it wrong
"Bananas are for the blender"
Plus any or all of the following
Ananas
Mangos
Limes
Pompalamus
Papaya
But non optional the following
Ice
Ron
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Go diesel BP
I sailed a 66'er down from Tonga a couple of years ago with one
We fired it up about two days out and warmed the boat really well
Safer,drier and you already carry lots of the correct fuel that's easy to get re filled
Just my thoughts
Not that I've ever used a lpg heater but have had a few dodgy times with gas califonts barking at me when lighting them.
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All this Ross 40 trash talk makes me want to go and buy the old JJ and give her a big birthday. Mind you, whilst I could possibly afford the work required on JJ, I couldn't scratch the surface on what would be required for the old crew...
Look forward to the RNI, what are they using for trackers? YB?
Yes YB trackers all the way, just finalising the deal now, 10min pings updated every 30min
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It was just prod envy, wasn't it Booboo?
Beat Beat Beat
I can see the battle lines of the 2017 RNI forming already
Hopefully the big boat wins ah Smithy !!
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How so?
Ask the Revs crew from the RNZ and Truxton decided to ditch their Sq top for a pin head and won.How so?
Square tops with a full and fresh crew, reefing offshore can be tricky but with two tired crew that's when bat cars and sails start getting damaged and then jammed
The cross over seems to be out 30' under this and you can get away with a sq top but over that and its all about systems and that's what BooBoo and Damon have been optimising.
Shorthanded sailing is about keeping the boat at 90%+ of it optimum 100% of the time
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He's already gone bigger main, not square just more roach
Square tend to be a problem shorthanded
Now let's watch them test the new prod to death in the coastal, if they finish it will be good to go for the RNI I'm picking
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I have seen yachts (with I suspect, local knowledge) sailing North between Whangaruru and Cape Brett curve in towards Whangamumu before reversing the curve as they neared the peninsular, heading out to Cape Brett. They literally sailed away from us, we were headed directly for Cape Brett, I didn't check, but it would suggest that the tidal flow was southerly and there is an eddy that rotates inshore of the Cape.
Most likely Steve
But don't stay in too long or you will fall into the wind shadow between Whangamumu and the Cape
"Shot the gap" or 'round the out side like a buffalo girl' ?????
That's the real question, I've always gone through and said next time I'm going around ????
"The definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing but expect a different result"
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What you really need to know is what's happening with the warm current that runs down the east coast.
It's often close to cape Brett then runs outside the Hen & Chicks then outside the Mokes then kicks south at the needles
The catch is sometimes it runs inside the H&Cs and therefore speeds up so that makes going outside beneficial, but rarely it runs the other way ie south to north.
It's usually not that fast at this time of year but speeds up as the warm currents come out of the pacific
The other major area of concern is tidal flow at bream head
Other than that sail north and turn left at the Cape, but inside or out of Piercy Is ?
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Glass verses wood
Wood,
easy to fix
Easy to see damage
Needs fixing asap, if left will get worse
Painted so will need reprinting at some point
Glass
More robust
Only needs a cut and polish every few years
Damage can be hard to find and fix depending on where it is
Once you paint a gelcoat boat it will be no better than a wooden boat in that respect
Hard to beat a well built and maintained wooden boat
Lots of people under maintain glass boats as they generally get away with it but you can't do that with wood so you will soon know when you go and look, if it a 20+ yr old wooden t/y and it is dry and doesn't smell of rot then you will know it's good
As for glass you want the original gelcoat to look good, the chances are there will be stress cracks around the stanchions but you don't want them around chain plates, rudder, centreboard or deck fittings
Generally a wooden boat will be lighter also for its size
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What is the Ron Given design that you see sailing out of Kawakawa, Joker ?
I don't know size but they're going to go ok I would have thought , always seem to when you see em out.
Joker
There's a 6.7 that's too small for a family of 4 but they sail really well.
And a 8.2 that would be ideal as they are water ballasted so light to tow but twice your budget is what's being asked and more
Don't be afraid to offer 25% less than asking price, most TY are hard to sell and getting quite old
You should settle between 10 to 15% under asking price or your wife will fall in love with one and you will just buy it.
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Yeh that is a cool looking boat, appears to be a lot sportier. Bit out of my price range unfortunately......
Are you familiar with Trojans? What's the common opinions on them?
Trojans are similar if not slightly slower than a Noelex 25 but with a higher SRI (self righting index)
Very family friendly as far as TY go
If you want performance then get a Ross 780
Here's something to use as a base for comparison http://www.nztya.nz/uploads/113077/files/Rating_Current_from_August_2016_-_Listed_by_Rating.pdf
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So looking like you'll make the last SSANZ race then
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Once you've used AIS you'll never go back
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A few said they had trouble seeing us, the orange light was working all night, but it all depends on what traffic is on the waterfront behind and how many street sweepers with orange lights as well.
We always anchor about 200m off the end of the wharf, we had our race tracker on and we run AIS.
We will be a lot easier to see in Isslington bay for the last race plus if you finish the last and shortest race after dark you may have to take your own time as we could be busy.
Round North Island, 2 Handed ---2017
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Forecast is looking slightly better this morning but still a bit slow
If your coming out on the water to watch the start please give the yachts plenty of room as with a incoming tide and little wind plus being two handed they are going to have enough on without dodging spectators
If you want a good view from on land then come out onto Devonport Wharf, lots of room but the Navy guns are very loud
You should be able to watch the start on the Wharf then walk up to north head to have the fleet sail past below you