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  1. 1 hour ago, Deep Purple said:

    Yep, most young 88s for a start. I once ran the Waikato trailer yacht champs where I was provided a young 88 as a committe boat. Old days of windward start, windward finish. We stayed on station till the leading boat was on its way downwind for the last time and he beat us to the finish buoy.
     

    I have used 2.5 Suzuki on an 1.7 tonne dragon for the last 3 years pushing in and out of all tides with no issues

    if it was a keelboat or multihull I would not need an engine at all. I once sailed a night race to kawau anchored in mansion house, on and off the marina In Westhaven in sundreamer with no engine, it was away being serviced.

    David barker never had an engine for years.

    Obviously some feel .2 of a hp is a valid substitute for seamanship

     

    aah Computer says no...

    "You need to give evidence of new boat pushing against the tide in Whitianga harbour channel. Any engine that can do that is fit for purpose. 

    I would suggest a large portion of boats would not pass the test."  Chariot

    Strange the above is simply another subjective measure that can't complied with either, while it may practically demonstrate the appropriateness of the available thrust of the engine in a particular craft ( entering or leaving Bluff harbour is another good example...sometimes no amount of horsepower is enough).

    Although this has been discussed elsewhere my boat has a 9.8hp outboard with HT prop in a custom well and is a registered YNZ keelboat. It meets all the YNZ requirements for speed in flatwater as per the formula but is quite poor when you might really need it  i.e a close lee shore in 40 knots as most boats will be.  Question is why was the boat on a lee shore in forty knots - poor seamanship right? was the right jib still hanked on ready to rumble for 40 knts when the mooring broke at three a.m  or the anchor dragged?

    The TY rule is very prescriptive here and the formula will spit out a result that says DP needs 6.2 not 6hp. Question is where is that horsepower measured at the flywheel or at the shaft? Can this be calculated if available and is it more or less than the 'rated/advertised' hp. Can you 'hot up' the outboard to meet the rule etc and produce a cert? I know PITA. Not easy.

    Especially, at this time the sport whether it be TY or sports trailer yacht or sportboat or keelboat needs to be administered to do everything possible to grow participation. Not discourage it. It is analogous to society at present where everyone/ every institution seems to be finding a reason why you can't or shouldn't do something rather than to help/ or assist participants to achieve it. In fact in many instances the 'computer says no'  is the dominant paradigm. When as a society did we move to this fear based, over-regulated, computer says no state where we are collectively inhibited, prevented from pursuing what we want to do. What happened to individual responsibility? How as a population/nation have we allowed it to occur?

    Wouldn't it be odd standing up in a coroner's hearing outlining that the .2hp was a key contributing factor? Moreover who would argue that the .2hp was significant? Think about it. hydrodynamic and aero drag in most instances would render the additional .2hp utterly useless. 

    DP curious , who are you dealing with at NZTYA?

     

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  2. 4 minutes ago, Deep Purple said:

    It's the one size fits all approach. For example, as a trailer yacht I have to have 6.2hp outboard. As a keelboat/Sport trailer yacht I don't have to have an outboard at all. Why? Because the rule makers at the NZTYA race in admittedly pretty rough areas, Wellington, Littleton, Dunedin, Southern Lakes where things can turn nasty very quick. So a trailer yacht racing on Lake Ngaroto has to carry a 6.2 engine. Now you could align the TY rules with the others and just have the sailing instructions for certain events mandate a higher level of engine but no, socialism at work.

    I can fly all around the north island with no issues at all. but if I want to fly to Queenstown I have undertake a mountain flying course because that area demands special respect. Thats how it should work.

    Interesting article here - 2015 - https://www.yachtingnz.org.nz/news/update-ciorc-committee

    https://www.yachtingnz.org.nz/clubs/committee/ciorc

    Individually this is an awesome team and I have the greatest respect for them. Collectively I can't see any progress for grass roots yachting. The safety rules have filled pages of anomalies in this thread alone. I was up till 2am last night reading every published NZTYA meeting minutes (suspended quite some time ago) and searching as much information as I can. Quite depressing. There are no published minutes for any meeting of COIRC or YNZ and negligible reporting via "Briefings"

    But $100 here, $400 here, $85 here........ It costs $19 to change the ownership of a car but $85 to change the registration of a boat.......

    And 4 lots of levies for 4 clubs ......

     

    The above is primarily why I got out of TY sailing after owning an E5.9, a N25 and an E7 between 1996 and 2015.

    I raced and cruised TY's all round the South island and across Foveaux and the safety requirements in situations have been well tested at times by boats cruising and or competing. IMHO as past NZTYA committee member and SI VP - NZTYA as an institution failed to transform and adequately integrate newer, faster designs and appropriate safety regs. Note that the sportsboat regs at the time were/are pretty minimal. There a number of incidents where they would have been found wanting down south, particularly with the cold water. Lack of other traffci in the racing area, inadequate support resources etc.

    The sports trailer yacht rule was an attempt to address the broadening performance differential and 'bring in' in the existing TY outliers, which via successive ownership and modification in many instances no longer complied with the 'TY' rules. It was also intended to cater for the newer faster designs such as the Shaws, Thompsons etc. The basic idea being 'run what you brung' and it was a race for line. The fleets could'nt and didn't support that approach with often only one or two such boats turning up to events e.g. Shaw 650 badonkadonk

    Many owners/ racers also cried foul when their 'hot TY' was arguably considered no longer a TY due to hull modifications and non-compliance with for example the cabin length to OA length rule. Arguably there should have been protests at times that should have addressed these issues.  Just arms racing in a different way. 

  3. 7 minutes ago, 44forty said:

    Why do they need to approve the design when they’ve already approved it ? 

    Its the registration as a T not S750 design approval as I see it that is the issue...Obviously, NZTYA has only been allocated by YNZ a certain range of numbers and a 9000 number isn't one of them. Computer says no...

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  4. 7 hours ago, Deep Purple said:

    Went to change the ownership over and thought for a laugh i'd tick trailer yacht instead of keelboat. Whoa, what a mistake. within days had a call from NZ Trailer Yacht Association requiring me to submit the boat for design approval, future self righting test. Oh and IF approved i'll get a new sail number in the 4000's. But I already have a number in the 9000's can i just put a T in front of it? No, you will be issued a 4000 number, you don't need the T, you will have to change your sail numbers unless you apply for personalised number. And no, even though sport trailer yachts are in the rules, they don't want to know them.

    $100 fee for TZTYA approval then a choice of getting new numbers on 4 sails or $400 to YNZ for a personalised number (my existing number)

    Considering options

    Well that was helpful wasn't it?...isn't it funny that that someone, some entity,  somewhere is mandating you do something for a disproportionate admin fees so you can pursue a choice you enjoy and have paid for with your discretionary allocation. No wonder we have problems growing the sport in NZ and encouraging new builds when this sort of crap is still going on 10 or so years on after that particular boat was built...I'm well over it. I have raced against DP,  T number or otherwise in a T (and beaten it on line). However, too ignore the sports T rules is very poor form-that is like your local council ignoring the Building Act 1991 or your accountant ignoring FBT.

  5. 19 hours ago, Jon said:

    I think I’ll change the SSANZ NoR to “ Flares must be current according to manufacturers date stamp”

    or the likes

    I’ve checked probably hundreds and only ever looked at expiration date, have I been neglectful ?

    No Jon definitely not.. flare expiry moved from three years to four years from date of manufacture within the last policy cycle...simply a case of practice ahead of policy

  6. 18 hours ago, Deep Purple said:

    There's quite a few material differences between the keelboat and trailer yacht rules. They obviously don't sit in the same room when putting them together.

    I suspect the keelboat guys push the limits a bit more and the trailer yacht guys are mainly a bunch of Noelex 25 owners trying to hold on to their line honours victories

    Originally , the KORC committee had a NZTYA rep sit with them to align/or resolve/guide such perceived conflicts in the regs ( makes sense No?)  As I understand it this was done away with during the last review.  The NZTYA regs in places are onerous and archaic in my IMHO particularly with respect to the faster TY's ; and especially more recent additions such as DP and FForty.  Although as a Cat 3/ Cat 2 keelboat owner a number of the regs impose significant ongoing cost which are a clear barrier to entry and participation.

  7. funny topic... I only recently installed class B and it is still on while the boat is in the berth. It shouldn't be -  but I can't get to the boat to turn it off. Haven't installed a 'stealth switch yet'.  kinda ridiculous... as it appears to be updating very regularly.

  8. 2 minutes ago, marinheiro said:

    I have sent the following email to Coastguard's communications manager:

    Coastguard issued a media release on Tuesday 21 April, which included the following statement:

    During the Lockdown period our volunteer crews have been involved in nine emergency responses, including six urgent medical transfers of confirmed and possible Covid-19 patients to hospital 

    As a boatie and Coastguard member I would be interested to know the general nature of each of these 9 responses.

    In particular in the case of the medical transfers I understand from another source that these were transfers from islands being undertaken on behalf of the police as Deodar is currently out of the water – is this correct?  

    Were all 6 medical transfers COVID patients or were some patients with other medical issues?

    I will post their reply when received.

    It will be very interesting if you get a reply to that request...

  9. 12 minutes ago, Tamure said:

    That all depends, if you have the budget to run a 40 foot race boat then why not? 

    Realistically,  after assuming a  12m -14m marina berth p/y, engine maintenance p/y, rig maintenance p/y , bottom maintenance - haul outs p/y,  sail budget allocation p/y - safety gear, cat inspections etc it isn't going to be chump change. Assume a syndicate would be  good way to go but I know what it costs to run a 9m version that I cannot currently use  and have hardly used in the last 6 months and it isn't cheap... 

  10. Agree with KM - I'm in the midst of replacing most of my running rigging also. All my clutches are either 6-12 or 8-14mm. New reefing lines are 8mm Poly outer/UHMWPE core which will be stripped and coverless where required.  The 8mm has good hand which I think will work well when I'm cold, tired and getting smashed. Do they need to be this diameter for overall strength - absolutely not. 

    Main halyard is 8mm, Jib halyard is 8mm, Fractional kite 8mm, Masthead kite is 8mm, Topper is 8mm (can double as 2nd jib halyard). Outhaul tail is 8mm = in boom two to one is 7mm coverless  16 Carrier UHMWPE.

    Vang, prod control, cunningham, keel lift,  in-haulers etc are all 6mm. 

    Obviously going to 6mm throughout would reduce overall weight but an important thing to note is the rope design/construction. The number of carriers in the cover makes a massive difference IMHO to the overall feel, longevity and suitability of the subject rope. If I could afford to change all the clutches/ cleats to the right parameters I think 6mm max and less for others would work throughout the boat.

     

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