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Plus there's probably more room for negotiation on the price with the second hand one.
I don't know. I don't understand new boat prices in NZ either. I know they have to be transported a longer way but the premium does seem huge.
Take another example of what will I'm sure be a popular version, the brand new Bavaria Vision 46.
Local new price here in NZ seems to be about NZD$425k:
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/boats-marine/yachts-sail-boats/moored-boats/auction-455913259.htm
But back in Europe it's looking a bit cheaper at equivalent NZD$340k.
http://www.boatshop24.com/en/sailing-boats/bavaria-de-vision-46-neuvorstellung-3417378
So that $85k price difference is surely gonna make you ask some questions before you just swallow it and sign the check, right? And if you could find one from a US dealer the closer proximity would presumably reduce shipping costs further or even make it possible to sail home for the more adventurous?
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Yes yes of course importing involves major extra cost and hassle which many people aren't up for however big the bargain is - they just want the ease of a local purchase.
But if you are of that mindset AND your budget is over about $300k, then I reckon that is the threshold at which imports start to merit serious consideration (even after import costs/taxes).
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I empathise with the OP because I think every issue of Boating NZ includes a fair whack of "you've got to be joking" examples of optimistic pricing.
In terms of your response, I think a lot depends on your budget. Over the years I've done a lot of research and roughly worked out that if you are thinking of spending $300k+ and if you are thinking of a mainstream production type boat, then buying offshore and importing makes sense. Because it's pretty hard to stomach paying the premium that you do pay in NZ.
Example, if you were in the market for one of the world's most popular large family cruisers (Bavaria 46) then these two make the point:
1. Locally in NZ you have to spend $342,000 to pick up a 6 yr old model:
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/boats-marine/yachts-sail-boats/moored-boats/auction-461037244.htm
2. Whereas overseas for less cash (NZD$300k) you can get a 'brand new' 2012 version of the same size boat:
So if you are browsing in this bracket then it's got to be tempting to buy offshore, right?
But if you are looking lower budget I think it's rarely worth it, makes more sense to shop smart and pick up a local boat for best price you can - and it is still a buyer's market, in fact when it comes to boats it always has been and always will be a buyers market. Bit like 2nd hand cars, just too many of them around to ever create a seller's market. Unlike houses.
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Yeah I had some problems with some the Indian security services and had to make some changes to get out. Worked fine. Just can't go back.
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Popped out of GH Sat am, dropped a long-line off little Manly beach, blasted down/up the N Shore to kill an hour (and 2 kawahai) then retrieved long-line (a bit of a maneouvre in 25kts+) which included 3-4 decent snapper and the biggest beast I've ever landed. Nearly had an octopus too but he baled just in time.
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After 2 weeks in W'haven for the VOR activity I delivered AC back home to GH - had a fantastic sail up the N Shore y'day afternoon, borderline over-canvassed in the gusts but did the 16-odd nm trip in record time for AC - 1hr 30 mins. Had a bit of help from the tide, went down the Waitemata at 10.5kts SOG which is good going for us.
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Enjoyed soaking up the VOR atmosphere and was out on AC with various friends and family for the full 3 days Fri-Sun. Wouldn't have missed it for anything.
Slightly sad that the VOR carnival is packing up and the viaduct going back to normal. I miss that cosmopolitan offshore flavour when it leaves town.
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Oh OK. Wonder about the kawhai though.
Tried some kina the other day too.... I'm pretty partial to trying anything esp seafood but I didn't love the taste of it must say, not sure what the fuss is about!
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Had best ever fishing y'day. After Sat's blow was pleasantly surprised to find Sun looking so good so headed out for some dinner. Came home with 6 snapper and 6 large kawhai. Other fish caught but thrown back included what we assumed to be a very very baby shark - actually looked quite cute but the jaws and teeth clearly had growth potential.
After years of trawling lines behind the boat and catching nothing I've got no idea why y'day was so different - at one point we had 3 kawhai on the go - one on each of the lures - was hectic but fun.
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Refitted my previously defunct but recently refurbished Navman 3100 multi to AC. Happy to wave goodbye to the awful Northstar unit which I had reluctantly installed in it's place for the last couple of years, it was a shocking thing, even worse than the Navman which is saying something. So touch wood I'm now back to full strength with all instruments working as they should..... famous last words.... something will probly blow in the next 5 mins.
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I remember reading an article by the designer after crossing the Atlantic in which he stated it was not what the boat was designed for. f course that wont stop people doing it.
I don't think I was designed for work but it doesn't stop me doing it now and again.
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Suggest if you are still following Hineka do check out the rust situation as rumour has it she alledgedly has had some repairs to rust holes penetrating right through the plating, from the inside, hope this isn't true.
Also although she is 70' long the interior space is not much more than you would get with a good cruising 40 footer.
That would be my fear with this specific boat, the bills of a 60-70 footer but the living space of a 40 footer i.e. not a great combo!
RobT, given your budget of around $150k and a desire for a boat that is metal-hulled and ready to go again (not a DIY project) here is a nice looking option:
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/boats-marine/yachts-sail-boats/moored-boats/auction-386813230.htm
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Well it was only on the biggest monos that I've done trips on (74ft and 84ft) that started to feel bigger than a well-designed 45ft cat, which can have a lot of user-friendly space for everyday living. I've 6'2" so also need good headroom to avoid claustrophobia!
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RobT, no idea what your budget is (i.e. whether the examples you've picked so far on TradeMe are indicative of what you want to spend or not) and what your planned usage is but if you are looking for a geniune liveaboard option within minimal 'shock' to the system moving from house to boat, then a catamaran has to be a serious option. A 40 ft cat would offer a much better living option than a 65 ft monohull because the living space is spread out evenly. A long monhull will involve trapsing the length of the hull from stem to stern which will quickly become tiresome if you are not used to it. Whereas a bridgedeck catamaran would be far more of a home from home, with two separate hulls and a big living space between them. And they generally sail well too. But good cats aren't cheap, here are a couple of modest examples, you can easily pay more:
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/boats-marine/yachts-sail-boats/moored-boats/auction-374262870.htm
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/boats-marine/yachts-sail-boats/moored-boats/auction-371325932.htm
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Well considering NZ is one of the only countries where you can still buy a brand new 2 stroke o/b I think we have a while before we get our sh*t together regarding boatie effluent (pardon the pun)
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I keep an old ice-cream container in the galley for collecting all my organic waste and I just empty it over the side the next time I'm underway well out at sea. Bottles/cans go into a cycling box, which I empty ashore. And the remaining waste goes into the normal galley bin, which builds up pretty slowly given there is no food or bottles going into it. Seems to work well. And you can probably guess which bin fills up first.
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People who pay rent are paying the landlord's rates.
How is it bludging? Oh I don't know?????? I wonder who pays for the road maintenance and the rubbish collection, and cleaning the streets, and the parking spaces, and the parks and foreshore where you might park the dinghy, and administering the city, and the stormwater system, and the sewers????? Oh its probably the same people who pay for all the items that dumbarses are always saying the Government should pay for.
And yes half the people at Uni are bludgers who would rather do a degree in flaxweaving than do something useful. And yes I think it is sad that Paul Henry was pilloried and the same with Jeremy Clarkson in the UK.
If you want to live on board your yacht, then that is just fine by me, just don't come ashore to use any of the facilities.
You're confusing direct with indirect contributions. If you go ashore to catch a bus or rent a car you are immediately paying something into the local economy. If you buy things from the local shops your purchase contributes towrds the shop's costs some of which go towards rates and services. On your argument, BBW, anyone who visits without living ashore is a bludger. Maybe we should ban tourists and the spend they bring when they step ashore?
amadis - don't be put off by this response, he doesn't speak for all Aucklanders.
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Just look at the stats on Smartphones, they know where, what and how you're living.
PS: AC, I love Blog 3 but still working on what those signs mean. Knot ready to ask just yet
Yeah some of those signs are pretty awesome aren't they!
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Nah, I avoid all forms of loyalty card for that reason. Actually not true, I avoid them cos there's no room in my wallet cos its soooooo full of cash.
Ahem.
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It's not an encroachment on personal freedom until someone utilises it as such.
Agree that it's mainly a huge benefit but the point is that you can't always control (or even know) what someone else is doing with the technology.
For example it's a poorly kept secret that in the UK the British government can turn any mobile phone into a tracking or listening device. Even if it's turned off. The only way to avoid it is to remove the battery and sim card. It was originally aimed at countering hard core terrorists back in the late 80s and early 90s when mobile phones first emerged into mainstream use and nowadays anyone who knows their sh!t isn't going to fall for this. But Mr or Mrs Average never knows who might be tracking them. Not just the government but could be for coroporate espionage or a suspicous spouse or the IRD... more common than you might imagine.
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Yeah, although ironically in the case of insurance it has as much potential to benefit you as not. Reason being it allows true 'pay as you drive' insurance i.e. your premium is reduced whilst your car is sitting idle in the garage but increases when you drive along the highway at rush hour or hoon about the place at 160km/h. We've even got a device that sends a txt/email to the owners of the car if it exceeds a certain speed or goes into certain 'undesirable' areas (think of the kids driving dad's car).
But again depending on your perspective it's another encroachment on personal freedom. Some people might prefer to pay the full premium and not have their movements recorded even if it could reduce the cost to them.
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What do you mean personal freedom AC? I thought these units were for tracking your property? Surely your car isn't going to complain about its human rights being violated because you're tracking its every move??!
BB, what I mean is that it won't be long before someone will know where you are 24x7 whether you like it or not, friends, family, employers, market research cos, police, mobile phone cos, governments etc.
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From a crime prevention perspective these tracking units are great news. But from a personal freedom point of view they are the beginning of the end...
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And the best 2 cents ever spend, Thanks Boo.
We need a library or somewhere to store posts like that.
I've been asking for a function to 'save favourites' to years now.....
2nd hand yacht prices = ridiculous
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Yeah I don't know whether the NZ example I quoted includes or excludes GST.
I'm assuming that in general the quoted prices will be on a like-for-like basis, either including or excluding tax. For example the 'sailaway' price of Bavaria 46 Vision in AUS is actually higher than the $425k figure quoted here in NZ so I wonder whether the NZ price is excluding GST.