Zozza
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1 hour ago, LE Bb said:
so what we can see in your photo was just floor lands ?
Lands? Not sure what you mean.
when i cut out the integral water tank, we what is left is what you see in the photo - the keel with no athwartship structural floors supporting the enscapulated keel to the hull…
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5 hours ago, waikiore said:
Is she one of the Keith Atkinson built Holman boats?
No. This one sailed out from the UK in early 90’s by a solo sailor
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9 minutes ago, LE Bb said:
Wasn't much holding them in.
Whats your intentions with the yacht? eg coastal or offshore
What were the original floors made from ? hard to tell scale but looked about 40mm thick
Hi Le , offshore
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8 hours ago, Black Panther said:
Did some say varnished plywood interior?
You could host a Town Hall Meeting inside of their....a Gore one at least
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1 hour ago, waikiore said:
Yes the strong athwartship members (usually laminated ) are keel floors supporting the hull and keel attachment. Whats the design?
It’s a ‘Twister’
Kim Holman (UK) design
https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/twister-28/
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4 hours ago, LE Bb said:
Our 3 go to's are okoume, yellow cedar, and iroko.
When you say structural floors can you give and example, not a place for ply in my mind.
What I mean is bulkheads in the bilge to support the keel because i have removed the integral water tank.., my understanding is the correct boatbuilding terminology for these is “floors”?
Below is s photo showing how looks now with integral water tanks removed.
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34 minutes ago, Clipper said:
I have used meranti and okoume on dinghy builds. I understand the meranti is stronger, but the stuff I used had quite a rough grain/less smooth face than the okoume. It is quite a bit heavier too. but of course, cheaper! Im a bit of a weight nazi on boats, so Id use Okoume, for weight, and nicer finish
I have the opposite problem of you, my boat has NO wood and and I want to keep it that way. so foam, glass, carbon, and white paint for me...
Heh, yeah…I contemplated similar, but as I intend to eventually liveaboard some wood eye candy down below sort of soothing to the eye.., but on deck I will not be bothered to varnish anything methinks…
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9 hours ago, aardvarkash10 said:
I'm picking that the total amount of material is not enough to make either weight or price material overall.
I'd use just one so you can match the tone throughout. If you are painting, just choose the best grade (no voids, no fill).
Thanks Aard,
Mix of painting and varnish...though that is another question...clearcoat or varnish for an interior? any opinions? Or it don't matter - whatever you feel looks best?
All this is new to me - if I ask "WTF"? technical questions over time, be aware I am coming from a background of sitting at my desk on me ar$e 9-5, never done a trade and little DiIY...but I can no longer afford to pay people to do up the boats I buy, so I got me a deep learning curve.-
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From what I can ascertain via goggle, Meranti 20% heavier and less bendy, and Okoume Joubert lighter, more expensive....but always good to get a Kiwi take on it...
So I am thinking Meranti for bulkheads and structural floors, Okoume for settee berths, cabinetry / lockers...
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9 hours ago, waikiore said:
Aurora the double ended Harrison Butler ?
Harrison Butler designed some beautiful boats....
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Something to watch as the weather heaven's swamp much of the North Island yet again
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Northland and Auckland getting hammered again.
Pelting down here in the Auckland 'burbs I live.
Extended Metservice has heavy rain and nor'easters as far as their computer models can show ten days hence...Someone p*ssed off Neptune big time as apart from the odd break, it has been total shyte since January 1st.
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37 minutes ago, Frank said:
There's no question in my mind that its cheaper to buy the well equipped and maintained vessel although it can take a while to find one, but there are advantages to a do-up project.
1 At the end of it you will know the boat inside out and all its systems, benefits there if something goes wrong and you might have more confidence in its reliability.
2 You can customize the little things to your requirements.
3 If you are a creative person there is a satisfaction in the process, almost therapeutic at times (did I just say that !)
4 The cost is spread over time.
5. If its a particular design you want and you cant find an example that meets your needs then a restomod might be the only option.
In pure financial terms it does not stack up to buy a rundown boat but you can't reduce everything in life to dollars and cents.
Too right, Frank....and you get the satisfaction of singing 'I Did It My Way' like your namesake when the project is done!
This is my 3rd boat (my 28 footer), and I want to indeed do all those little things you mention, that is not possible if I leave the interior as it is. Plus, unlike some people, I can't live with a boat that when I open the locker I see unsightly paint lifting off with patches of bare gelcoat.
For inspiration, check this out:-
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Forgot to answer BP your query about where putting her - the driveway.
Sure to instill interest from noise control and other nosey council types - but until I get shut down, that's where she will be.-
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10 minutes ago, Black Panther said:
1708? That would predate the Civil War. Look for at something at least made in the 20th century?
Ps where are you putting her to do the work? I'm pretty sure I saw you in the Tiri channel a week or two back.
Last time I was in Tiri channel was in January it was gusting 30+ wind against tide and very lumpy.
If you saw my black hulled yacht in Tiri just a couple weeks back, then that would be the new owner sea trialing her.
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4 hours ago, harrytom said:
Have you tried NZ fibreglass in panmure
Have googled thanks harry. Reasonably close to me..depending on how many road cones.
I have done a bit more investigating on 1708 via the interwebs, and seems that's a reference to 17 Ounces = 481 grams. NZ seems to sell this biaxial stuff in either 400 or 600 grams, and then either with or without the chopped strand backing.I plan to use this for the structural areas of the boat. I am now discovering not all FG cloth is the same. Steep learning curve, but all good fun.
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I'm starting to make a list of all the materials I need for my big rebuild (DIY this time, not paying a professional if I can help it).
I think I want the version of 1708 that has chopped strand on one side.
As with a lot of reading I do, I'm reading about an American rebuild of a similar GRP yacht, and of course its all American products...
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The punk on the powerboat needs the book thrown at him.
He can defend himself in court, no problem with that -- we are a modern democratic nation with the whole "innocent until proven guilty" thing as much as sometimes we feels things are cut and dried
However, no matter what evasive action the ferry "shoulda coulda woulda" taken, the stinkpot was obviously exceeding the confined waters speed limit which massively contributed to the eventual impact collision with the resultant life threatening injuries to the ferry skipper.....if found guilty there just has to be some very serious consequences if not jail time. -
Would they throw sailboats in with the power boats in any licenscing/registration?
That to me is always the risk - I'm not saying yachties are not immune to dickhead behaviour, but I think you know what I'm getting at.. -
Oh my god..he has passed away...
Is it too early to ask how the hell can some f__king idiot in a power boat could not see the Ferry.
Edit: are we 100% sure he has passed? I just listened to a news report on Radio NZ and they are saying he is "critically injured" but they did not say he had passed?-
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Is it just me, or are we experiencing months of sh#t weather more than usual. Summer was a write off, and it doesn't seem to be getting much better, albeit winter approaching. It's probably as bad as it's always been - this is NZ, the land of four seasons in a day, but sheesh can't someone go for a sail and get some decent weather to get going, including the Solo Tasman guys / girl...
Ah well, I guess that is why we have some of the best racing sailors in the world...our weather demands it.
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14 hours ago, Enlightenment said:
MANY THANKS!!!!!
Imagine if I hadn’t had these conversations, I would be a lot further up delusion creek and I am now. I’m becoming painfully aware of the extent of the bureaucracy and regulations in New Zealand.
I know the days have long gone when you could nail together a ferro cement boat with chicken wire and hope and head off overseas. Perhaps it is a karmic relationship, does anyone remember the French Canadian guy that built a ferro yacht and attempted to sail to Australia only to crash into a reef on the way? It was big news at the time 50 years ago, but it was instrumental in changing the rules. He and his crew, all inexperienced, snuck out of Auckland harbor without permits, thinking they could just sail away unprepared and get away with it. In those days they probably would have gotten away with it if they hadn't run onto the reef where I think there was mutiny and death. The boat owner lived in my aunt’s house 200 m from me, I remember him well and his enthusiasm was quite intense.
The reason I don’t appear to be very decisive is that my foremost motivation to access the environment far outweighs being the owner of a boat. I really love sailing and boat life but I am willing to use other methods if the boat is unviable. I would be a great owner because I’m very responsible and capable of doing maintenance. My primary focus is on getting access to and remaining in remote places to do creative work and it seems the boat option is by far the most logical and functional way to achieve that end.
Originally, I had planned to live on the house bus and park it near the locations then use a 3.8 m inflatable and a 20 hp outboard motor to gain access. But I feel the yacht option would nestle me in the heart of the environment where I could live remotely for longer periods of time which is in line with my aims for writing and videography and photography etc but still having living facilities Internet access and an office. Of course, I need to make compromises to find workable options.
Frank
Are trailersailer boats subject to the same regulations as Marina and moored yachts?
Perhaps I can find a loophole by living on the bus and doing missions on the trailersailer while keeping it on rented moorings when I move from location to location.
What I need access to Marina’s, Maybe not? Not sure.
Mattm
The electrical systems on a boat are extremely simple although, although they don’t seem that simple to Joe public. I do get your point about compliance and plugs. Chinese plugs are exactly the same as New Zealand plugs and have the same compliance.
I’m thinking to disconnect all outdated electrical systems if necessary and use modern plug-and-play foldable portable solar panels and power stations to plug appliances directly into, which I feel should meet regulations because they are not hard-wired into the boat.
The only gas appliance I need is a cooker, does that need to be hard fitted, specified distance to the bottle or can it have flexible rubber hoses as in a home installation? Whatever the case this cannot be extremely expensive even if it has to be certified.
As far as the plumbing goes if it is outdated which I doubt, this could also be portable and shouldn’t need a hard installation.
I actually have very little idea what it takes for a boat to be insured apart from it passing a survey. We need a VHF hardwired to the ships battery? Can navigation equipment simply be a laptop or cell phone? All this is very very simple stuff and certainly not rocket science, although the tradesperson wants you to believe it when they charge you their rate to certify, which is fair.
My main concern is gaining access to locations where I can live aboard the boat, I don’t know if I can legally proceed on the water without insurance and sidestep going to the Marina altogether by living on the mooring. I have yet to establish if I can do antifouling in boat yards and what level of compliance I need to follow to meet their requirements. I’m certainly not trying to avoid taking responsibility, it’s just that I don’t want to pay needless expenses as the function of the boat is not a gin palace.
The backup generator would be a very small petrol generator in a sound-insulated box and would only be used on very few occasions when I’ve anchored far away from others in remote locations on days when it’s cloudy and the very robust solar was exhausted, perhaps I would need it to upload some files to the Internet to meet a deadline. Health issues are negligible.
Zozza
Good point, I am somewhat green when it comes to purchasing a boat in New Zealand even though I have done a reasonable amount of sailing in the past and as a lifetime design and industrial professional have done plenty of wood and fiberglass boat work and carried out refitting work on super yachts.
But if I was naïve I wouldn’t be having these conversations with you experienced owners and sailors.
Wow, 100K is a lot to spend on a small boat, but yeah, I get what you’re saying that it’s a potential trap waiting to happen to the unwary, we can learn fast when it’s too late.
Panther and the rest of you guys have given a lot of such valuable advice.
Pretty much most of the common (not high-end) Marine components and fittings are imported from China and they are the same very good quality available in the New Zealand market.
When people say Chinese rubbish they actually mean badly sourced products by importers! Yes there’s a lot of crap made and sold to the unwary in China but also all the good stuff is manufactured here too.
I agree the certified components probably need to be sourced locally for compliance reasons but the rest of it can be imported. There is a hell of a lot of work you can do on a boat yourself without the need to use a tradesperson and if the work is not good enough it will be revealed in the survey.
If my boat was a 25' Noelex or similar trailer sailor on a good trailer, basically a plastic box with good sales and rigging and whatever portable components I wanted to put inside it for navigation and foldable portable solar panels and PowerStation and portable appliances. Would this boat setup need to pass all kinds of regulatory hurdles? Would even need to have a survey to be insured? Again I'm not trying to be a Responsible I'm just trying to achieve my goal.
Thanks again.
If you have labour skills, woodwork fibreglassing skills, you are ahead of the game if you want to do a "do up"... it will still be expensive but maybe you won't have to busk till dawn with your ukulele
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And here I am - damn fool - about to embark on doing up a old 28 footer! But I have learnt some DIY skills....the hard way. Don't follow in my footsteps, unless you like being poor
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As someone who over capitalised a 26 foot boat by about, oh....$100K, guys like Panther and Mattm are speaking the truth.
You sound, with all due respect, green as grass - much like I was 7 or 8 years ago. EVERYTHING ends up costing you DOUBLE if not TRIPLE what you think it will - and yes, you will be paying NZ's exorbitant prices for everything from paint to rope to fittings - everything marine (if you want quality) is damn expensive in NZ. Even the chinese sh#t fixtures and fittings sold by a lot of Chandlers is expensive.
Save up $60 - $70K and buy a nice comfortable 28 -32 footer, which some other fool has spent tens of thousands on to bring up to spec.-
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Okoume Joubert or Meranti plywood for new boat interior?
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Ah right, they were thin little bulkheads separating various parts of the water tanks...couple taps of the hammer and they broke off..