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I don't have a dog in this fight but as well as assuming the total number of moorings in Auckland, your equation also assumes that all of the owners are keeping up-to-date with paying their annual fees.
The owners that have abandoned their boats at the mooring (or a proportion of them) won't be - they've put their heads in the sand and are pretending they don't own a boat and not opening any mail/emails that look like they might relate to that fact. There's a lot of 'em everywhere, and as and when they are forced to face facts, they sell their boat to someone the same, or with even less of an idea what they're getting into.
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On 26/05/2025 at 8:43 PM, Psyche said:
Fast tracking may be appropriate for important infrastructure that's in the national interest but development of private recreational facilities is something that needs consultation with the various stakeholders, it may take time to review the issues and it may not go ahead. We are a democracy after all and the seabed is public property, I am not opposed to any proposal for marina development per se but the developers cant simply bulldoze or sidestep the process because its inconvenient.
This also seems an odd place for a marina, it appears to be aimed Aucklanders with holiday homes in the Bay who will keep large boats there i.e it will have almost no connection to the local community yet it's the locals who will have to live with it for generations.
Yep +1 to this. I spend a bit of time at a marina that has a beach at the end of it that's pretty popular in summer including people driving from inland to enjoy it.
However the ongoing wish from boat owners is to restrict access more and more, irritated by car park being busier etc.
Still reasonably regular occurrences of oily bilge water discharges, sloppy fuel spillages when refuelling, dry sanding, paint brushes being washed out at berths etc despite all of this being clearly against marina rules (and really a carry-over from years gone by).
To me it would be hard to make a case that the development of a marina represents a better situation for the surrounding community, and access has a tendency to diminish further over time following the original build.
Doesn't seem to me to be that much different to a supermarket or a gas station being proposed?
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I wouldn't have known this existed either, until a couple of minutes ago...
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13 hours ago, John B said:
How come sense applies in Auckland, where we're free to anchor in infected areas and are asked to simply check our anchors and collect/ dispose, or dump the weed where we found it, yet in the BOI they just close down the anchorages. In other words Auckland has an educational ,reasonable, workable response, Bay of Islands a draconian one.
If there was just one success in the Bay, if they just cleared and opened one of the closed anchorages after all this money and all this effort, they'd have support. But they can't even do that. Not one of the areas closed what 2? 3 ? years ago has been opened. Omakiwi isn't that big. Millions.
We need the same attitude in the BOI, education and a request to boaties to clear their anchors. Open the bays back up.
Understand the levels of angst - in all locations - but all it takes is one boat to spread it.
The education (and and on-site presence a lot of the time) has been there in the Bay. The quote below is from an article just over a year ago (linked further down).
The way it has progressively found its way around the Hauraki Gulf, from my perspective, doesn't support the idea that the Auckland approach is resulting in a better outcome. But less inconvenient, yes.
' "One boat we spoke to in Omākiwi brought up a huge half-metre-long clump of caulerpa on its anchor. Because of the way its anchor well was positioned, they wouldn't have seen it [if the kaitiaki hadn't been there as the anchor was lifted]."The boat went on from Omākiwi Cove to other locations in the Bay of Islands including Deep Water Cove and the Ipipiri Islands. '
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Lots were broken up and disposed of legitimately post-Gabrielle here in Northland, by professional teams (staff of boatyard and general contractors, under the oversight of Harbourmaster and perhaps most importantly, funded by an insurer in a lot of cases). Already in possession of/trained in use of the right equipment and probably already quite good at meeting relevant legislation and submitting any documentation required. So it can be done but yes harder on a DIY basis without some of the factors above.
Agree with Psyche re can't pay/won't pay and also think there is a substantial emotional component where the current owner doesn't (yet) that their 'asset' tipped over the edge into becoming a liability quite some time ago. They were all originally built with love, often to a well-regarded design from good materials that cost a lot at the time.
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Run across a couple of people in the past year who have done the "sail it home and make it the adventure of a lifetime" and have loved every minute of it.
I would suspect the decision-making matrix gets a bit complex. Some of the non-financial (i.e. emotional) factors can go in there as pluses; on the other side, probably also pays to allow for:
- viewing/inspection costs can get up there when the boat is in a different location - seems most people will have a shortlist of at least, say, four boats that are worth a look and obviously you don't want a budget shortfall on travel/accommodation to force a hasty purchase
- same deal with weather on the trip home - sitting in a marina with costs ticking away (and maybe crew who are running out of leave) can again drive decision-making
- again deep pockets may be the only solution if unforeseen repairs are required on the way home.
Not saying don't do it, just that it probably turns out to be as much of a compromise as anything else and don't blow all of your budget on the initial purchase!
Danaide has probably got some insights into how it can all pan out but may not be in a position to comment today with the RNI start.
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All these refits finished and it's still only early November
I thought that was what Christmas Eve was for.Good effort Royale - hope the relaunch goes well.
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Glad you have been rewarded for all your efforts.
And if it's any consolation, it looks like a job that took twice as much. Very enjoyable thread, I will miss it, what/who's next?
Think Royale is overdue for a confession, seems to be lots of new items being quietly investigated...
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There was a race report from Tim in one of the other Coastal threads but it has slipped back a few pages now (and was also posted by Squid rather than Tim direct). Here it is:
Timberwolf - found the going very tough today. Far too much on to send reports sorry. Happy with the start and thought the masthead gennaker would hang in there a little longer than that.We then blew out the fractional genny but only cos we stuffed it in. Spent most of the race with 2 reefs in the main and no jib. We saw max wind gust of 37 kn but at times the seas were just evil. We found it dangerous over 18kn in the nasty stuff. Peak speed just over 25 but to be honest this was a day about seamanship and finishing and we found it hard to pushthe boat to its full limit. It did not help at all seeing the Deeds over, my best wishes to Bobbi and Greer, it's never good but great to hear it is back up again.
We only survived that gust by seconds as we got our zero downjust in time as another 35 kn gust hit us. I thought the 50's had a blinder they were really screaming and I guess that has to be close to V% best ever time. We will get caned by racetrack for that race.
Just thrilled to finish, delighted to win div 7, we sailed well and Bryan and Klaus did heaps of sails up and down and changes but it was very hard work and nowI'm just broken. Hardly even felt like a beer and have already woosed off to bed.
Great effort by Crusader that thing really hauls and well done to Borderline for setting a new 8.5 record
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One day houses will be made like Lego and you will be able to pull off an entire room and slot in a nice new bright shiny module with everything ready to go.
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Did the bathroom of a house that had been formerly owned by an old couple using a similar method - hot air gun and wide scraper heated up on the stove element.
Regretted it immensely when the heat hit the vinyl in the area surrounding the toilet.
Can't blame old people too much I suppose, any toilet would probably be the same...
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Some very nice handiwork in this thread
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Congratulations Tim on your rebound from a setback and for a very entertaining and informative thread.
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It is all very clean and professional. I was particularly impressed with the guides to keep the foam feeding into the circular saw blade.
Nice new signature Clipper!
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A forlorn sight.
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One man's sail-trasher is another man's best customer...
So long as they don't complain that their sails don't last.
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You're not wrong, particularly given that topics like multihull racing insurance and holding tanks have also rolled round again this week - as others have pointed out in the past, there are some gems of wisdom posted from time to time which seem to be hard to track down once a few months have elapsed.
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Not forgetting his lightweight inflatable "female crew member" for this weekend.
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Yeah yeah, I know, the breadmaker, the dishwasher, the jacuzzi, the grand piano...
Amazing that she sails at all. Rest of us should all be ashamed. Blah blah blah.
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Hearing you bro. Someone needs to develop storage units within marina complexes, also a cruising vs racing anchor rental service. I would not want to add it up but total loading/unloading time must get quite close to actual time spent cruising.
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The only point I would add, as someone who looks enviously at furlers on other boats when cruising, is that if you can get the furling option working to its potential, you will spend a lot less time folding sails. Sure, it's not onerous work but I think you would find you are more likely to put up a sail, especially on short hops, if you aren't looking ahead to the prospect of putting it back in the bag again in an hour.
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Reminds me a bit of the Ragtime/Infidel experience, in that the owners - along with Kiwis old enough to remember - get a kick out of bringing the boats "home". Which is a bonus for everyone.
Although I'd have to say:
sail it to its original home port, Auckland, pick up a New Zealand crew and enter it in the Sydney-Hobart Race.A few emails and some plane tickets has perhaps taken over as a way of putting together a Sydney-Hobart crew.
I see that there is mention of sponsorship being required for the race - wonder if a repeat of the fundraising tour of NZ ports is planned. An updated version of that photo shoot at Milford Sound with the Air NZ kite up might get them some flights for the crew.
I thought that was what Christmas Eve was for.
Anyone see the TV article on wrecks tonight?
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You can wheel clamp or have towed away a car that's stayed too long in a paid parking spot.
You can (after following a process) evict a tenant that hasn't paid their rent.
You can ..... a boat owner that hasn't paid their mooring or marina fees?
(fill in the gap, I have no idea, certainly can't cut 'em loose and let them float away with the tide or you immediately create the problem you're trying to avoid
Certainly not easy when the boat has little or no monetary value which is generally the case with the abandoned ones.
From time to time you see boats that have been left in a boatyard with an unpaid bill being listed on Trademe.