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4 hours ago, Addem said:
Bad stuff still happens. Essence is a recent example. It's the sea state that is still unpredictable.
It does still happen, but there is alot of info/support out there to help mitigate the risk. When Essence left Fiji, the forecasts were showing they were likely to run into crap when they got close to the coast of NZ and sadly they did.
7 weeks ago I was intending to leave Noumea when the forecast predicted a good weather pattern for the passage to NZ. But at the same time there was a little low forming up in the Solomons. I use Bruce Buckley and he advised he was concerned it could form into a cyclone and recommended leaving 2 days earlier than we planned, even with less than ideal conditions. We followed this advice and arrived in NZ 2 days in front of what became Cyclone Lola.
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Hull came off the Young 41 Jipcho, with a widened transom. Most built over period 1974-79, 1 or 2 more in the early 80's. Balsa cored GRP hull and decks. Majority were sloop rigged but also a couple of ketches around. Most had a shallow draft, 1.5m keel. Sailed alot of miles including several circumnavigations.
There was a Sea Spray Boat Test, I think in 1974 (I have the issue) and design discussed in Jim's memoirs, "Jim Young - designer, Builder, Sailor"
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6 hours ago, Black Panther said:
Storm jib, trisail, jackstays.
As a starting point let's consider a 40ft family cruiser, well maintained and well equipped but now decided to try a first offshore passage. So only looking at extra expense over continuing to cruise coastal.
I'm with Matt no change out of 20k.
What about communication?
And this is just getting "passage ready". Next is "living ready" for want of a better expression, ie for once you are on the hook.
Typical upgrades can include
- more batteries, charging system, solar panels, wind generator
- stainless steel work - davits, arch etc
- canvas work - dodger, bimini, awnings etc
- extra tankage, water maker
- bigger dinghy and outboard
- water toys
Not saying these are essential but most people seem to finish up spending a fair few $$'s on the above which can start at $10k and just keep growing.
Agree with Jon that a boat that has just been offshore is probably best option but not that many around.
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10 hours ago, Leftred said:
Do you have any more info on the Transit designs? The Wrighty book didn't go into much detail.
There's another Dennis Bettany built boat in there called Gemini that looks almost exactly the same, except being 35ft and a bilge keeler. Those photos of her being launched with the blue hull (long since changed to white) were sent to me by Dennis a couple years ago.
Not alot more info. At that time Wrighty was churning out designs almost as fast as Richard Hartley and Frank Pelin, the plan business was very lucrative in those days. There were a few more built including the original "Transit". Design looks to be a mix of Townson and Lidgard hull and cabin shapes
Gemini was a twin keeler, built for Jim Varney, one time Auckland Harbour Master and Cat 1 Inspector. There was a Sea Spray feature in the early 70's on her which I have in my magazine
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5 hours ago, Island Time said:
Which one are you looking at? Several have done quite a few offshore miles, and generally a good boat. However, check the keel bolts and joint very carefully. IIRC they have only a single row of bolts. One of these went missing without trace some years ago, and I always wondered if it was a keel problem. I'm not saying they are not good boats, but I'd be doing a very careful appraisal of the hull to keel attachments.
If the boat has not been Cat 1 recently, it could cost you a lot to get cat 1....
Quartermaster was lost in the 94 Queens Birthday storm with all 3 crew. The empty liferaft was found by the Monowai
The conjecture at Sandspit where she sailed from was that the super structure was on the light side and she may have lost windows or had the cabin sides stove in.
I have been told there was a very harrowing call, shortly before she went off the air, from skipper Bob Rimmer to Kerikeri radio in total despair saying "I just don't know what to do". Tragic stuff
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23 hours ago, ex Elly said:
The 3 saloon windows, and the long skeg are unusual for a Townson.
the first boat(white hull and decks) is a Townson 30, "Magic Flute" design. The blue yacht is an Alan Wright "Transit" design.
Wright's early designs Nova, Variant, Nerissa and others certainly had some Townson influence.
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12 hours ago, Black Panther said:
But i suggest this conversation will go better if it doesn't get personal.
Could not agree more, so you can lead by example and not attempt to draw conclusions on what posters are thinking when they ask a question...
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34 minutes ago, Black Panther said:
If these were NZ vessels presumably they had cat 1 and it did them no good.
the cat that sank was an Australian boat rescued in the middle of the night by a NZ boat that was part of the ICNZ rally in what were described as "in a very brave and tricky situation". No doubt the NZ boats ASS and First aid training would have been of assistance
8 minutes ago, Black Panther said:What's your point here? Only those with unlimited funds should be allowed to sail offshore?
and your point continues to be the rules should be specially changed just to suit you.
I asked Jon a reasonable question and await with interest to see his response.
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21 hours ago, Jon said:
I’ve been asking kiwi owners on foreign flagged boats that are currently in Fiji why they did it this way with the idea to take this back to YNZ. I sit on both sides of fence (boat owner and YNZ inspector)
I’m getting they all seem to use the YNZ template as per what gear they take but ASS course costs and 5 year renewal, MARINE medic course, out of water inspection
‘But if you want insurance then your paying one way or the other, cost of insurance is less if you do it properly just to start with.
Maybe YNZ should be doing something unusual and actually consulting on an inclusive basis, not just going thru the motions, with current/would be offshore voyagers. Something for Angus' replacement to do when they manage to recruit someone.
Interesting that your ad hoc survey seems to be people bitching about relatively minor cost items in the greater scheme of things, were these "budget" cruisers or more affluent? My issue with the courses is there availability, the fact that providers cannot keep up with current demand. Also there should be recognition of "like qualifications, eg if someone is current with SCTW 95 then that should be acceptable for at least ASS requirements. I find it remarkable that people do not see some benefit from doing these courses, given that it is statistically inevitable there will be incidents, eg last month the child drowning in Musket Cove and the cat that parked on a reef in Lau group with the crew having to abandon ship. They might want to ponder on the fact that some of the items in the Cat 1 first aid kit could literally be the difference between life and death, and that non medical people need to have some idea of how to use that stuff.
Re Out of Water inspection, I have always planned for a haulout not long before departure so I am voyaging with new antifoul and cover the inspection at the same time.
The biggest complaint I have heard is the lack of clarity over the change to the storm shutters requirement and I am of the view this has not been well handled since its introduction with alot of contradictory advice being provided from YNZ and the inspectors not being sure themselves on how this is to be applied.
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Falconer Marine - not sure if Bill is still on the job as I have seen another guy in a van with same sign writing
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On 27/07/2023 at 11:49 PM, Black Panther said:
Back to the original topic. Does YNZ have any concern that a significant percentage of nz boats heading offshore are looking to foreign registration to avoid cat 1? And if they do would their approach be punitive or would they try to approach these people to find out what is wrong with the current scheme. And maybe fix it?
not sure what in your mind constitutes a significant %. Every now and then someone asks the question here about offshore registration but the number who go this route in any season can probably be counted on one hand.
The sticking issue I have heard is the not very clear updated requirement for fixing covering boards on large windows. That has been the only substantive change in the rules in the last 6 yrs. From what I have heard inspectors have in practice taken a very flexible approach to this.
8 hours ago, LBD said:Of course not... to them it is just a job, do what needs to be done, collect a wage and go home. It is only if some twaat comes along who wants to justify his existence by "identifying" an opportunity to expand his officious kingdom that you might get some action. In this country enforcing "compliance" is seen as an easy money cash cow by those too lazy to be productive in any real way.
With a few exceptions, compliance and permitting has got out of control and is now little more than a form of tax on productivity and freedom under the guise of "we need to enforce this for the wellbeing of society."
And that folks, is my rant for July.
not sure if you know how the Cat 1 system works, the inspectors are all volunteers and charge very little for their time, the late esteemed Fossil for example did not charge at all, just the cost of the certificate.
for sure agree with you on this in general,
With a few exceptions, compliance and permitting has got out of control and is now little more than a form of tax on productivity and freedom under the guise of "we need to enforce this for the wellbeing of society."
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if you are not berth constrained you could add the Lotus 1280 to your list, old discussion here
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7 hours ago, southernman said:
Singlehanded is possible with insurance. Just notify them I've had not issues.
which Insurer is that? When I raised it with Baileys/Vero they said no way on Inter - island passages. Min 3 crew all international passages.
Even getting coverage for 2 crew is getting tough, can't with Vero, can with Pantaneius at an extortionate price, don't know about Topsail, Haven KJ and Williams.
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17 hours ago, Jon said:
Only speaking from my experience with Vero this season, initially they wanted a survey from a boat builder but then said they were happy to accept the Cat 1.
Plus some boats I did the Cat 1 on had the same experience, but everyone can have a different experience from the same situation. However each boat will have different requirements due to age and historydid Vero prescribe minimum 3 crew for all international passages? I have this stipulation including for the 200 mile passage Vanuatu New Caledonia which is a bit over the top, did it solo in 2019.
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On 14/07/2023 at 9:02 AM, Jon said:
There are both pros and cons to being NZ registered, on of the pros is most insurance companies will accept your Cat 1 as a survey/inspection for insurance
I would be careful making that claim re insurance, might be the case with some insurers but not most. My experience in getting offshore insurance in 2019 and 2023 with Baileys/Vero included the requirements for a vessel condition report by a qualified boat builder or surveyor plus a rig inspection report, in addition to the Cat 1 cert. A mate got a quote from Pantaneius for offshore cover, they wanted a full out of water survey.
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cut the holes oversize with rebate and install/glue solid timber (kauri or the like) "picture frames" with the actual rebates for the windows. You want to remove any chance of water getting into the plywood's end grain
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7 minutes ago, harrytom said:
intersting,but could of gone the other way as the surveyor was not a qualified surveyor. Not clear as to a private sale or broker?If private it would be .Buyer beware.
the third respondent "TU of CT Limited" is described as an "Agent" so most likely a broker
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On 14/12/2022 at 7:04 PM, Breakfast in the cockpit said:
Looking for chico built by mick orchard
Start your search at Sulphur Pt Marina Tauranga, it may still be there or someone may know where it is after Mick sold it
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12 hours ago, harrytom said:
Buying through a broker guaranteed ownership of a unencumbered vessel and covered for defects under CGA
Interesting recent case about respective obligations/responsibilities
https://www.justice.govt.nz/assets/Documents/Decisions/NR-v-HT-2019-NZDT-1335-6-November-2019.pdf
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6 -8 weeks on a Dockwise ship.
Sailing particularly needs to consider seasonal issues, passing thru cyclone belts
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On 3/10/2022 at 2:41 PM, CarpeDiem said:
The legal frame work is the: Electricity (Safety) Regulations 2010
The main standards that apply are:
- AS/NZS 3000:2007 Part 2; and
- AS/NZS 3004.2:2014
I might save you a bit of time...
There is no legal way to DIY install a grid connected certifiable system on a boat in New Zealand. The exemption which applies to electrical work on private residences that you both own and personally live in, does not extend to boats or caravans even if it is your only place of residence.
While you can technically go out and buy all the parts, you need to be a certified electrician to do the physical installation.
It's obviously not impossible to DIY it if you know what you are doing but it comes with some risk. Also if your installation is obviously new and shiny, then your EWOF inspector should ask for a copy of the compliance certificate that would of been supplied by your installer, so you might come unstuck when you cannot produce one.
just a couple of additional comments, which have been noted in the past
1. The Electrical Safety Regs 2010 cite AS 3004.2 2008 as the reference standard for EWOF's
2. Boats built prior to 2008 are grandfathered, they do not have to be brought up to 3004.2 2008 in all respects, however you then run into the inspector's judgement as to what constitutes a "safe" AC installation for an EWOF to be issued.
3. Boats built 2008- 2014 need to comply with AS 3004.2 2008 for both AC and DC installations, post 2014 builds must comply with the 2014 revision. There is not much difference between the 2
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There is no direct shipping between NZ/Australia and Brazil. Some years ago when exchange rates were rather different I looked at the feasibility of importing Brazilian built/Roger Hill designed cats into Aust/NZ. Had to tranship in Mexico and the cost was phenomenal.
Having a play round with this site
https://www.maersk.com/local-information/shipping-from-asia-pacific-to-latin-america
the only shipping option appears be to trans ship via Singapore.
I think the airplane option is the only feasible one, I believe LATAM have recommenced their flights to Santiago, alot quicker than Emirates
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3 hours ago, bigal.nz said:
Thanks IT. I may well take you up on that kind offer - not departing until next year. Would you recommend that external antenna?
They aren't all that pricey and do seem to be recommended.
Just be aware (last I looked) that the unlimited data plan that is available for Go's is not available for phones, why not - no idea, just marketing I guess.
Plenty of Go's on Ebay if you want one or wait till November when boats return from the islands, usually a couple for sale
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4 hours ago, Muzza said:
I think you mean most of the wooden boats were built by Phil Wilson, many of these were sold as kitset frame packs, he never built glass Trackers. Glass Hulls from 1975 to approx mid 80 were moulded by Sandglass productions and finished by Mike Bentley and Malcom Booth's company Pacific Line Yachts. Craddock didn't get involved until mid 1980's.
see my follow up post 22 Feb above...
The next yachting disaster
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Crew delay. Also I believe their Iridium GO was not working, it had been problematic all season so they were probably not receiving any updates other than what they might have received on SSB (can't remember if they had one)
Sailing to the timetable set by crew members unfortunately sees more than a few yachts venturing out into conditions they really should not.