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Our yacht Club is like that. There seems to be more funerals than anything else. I brought my first keel boat nearly ten years ago and I was the youngest owner on our race track. Fast forward a few years... and I'm still the youngest. The only members the boat club seems to be attracting is fizz boats so they can use the launching ramp.
My bestie just brought a farr 1020 & already the shock the bills rolling in for it has given him a reality check!
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Tried going costal or offshore in a mc38? Or making a coffee? Or Anchoring? Or standing up? Or spending the weekend with the kids on board? Don't think the mc38 does any distance sailing like the sorc, clipper use to. The last race in the clipper was near on 400nm stuff that in a mc38 thats a day boat. I think that's a bit of leap between a 70's boat and a mc38.
There's more to boating than sending it to the bottom mark. I think a multi would be a better bet than a mc38 for that , Cheaper, faster easier to cruise and prob has more space than the mc.
We got our old 70s cav36 up to the islands in less than 7 days. Best of 196nm lots of 170nm days in full cruise mode can't see a new import of similar size beating that by significant amounts or coming near us in $ per nm
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Totally agree motorbike it would also be interesting to compare the cost of owning a boat compared to the Hey days.
We pulled a mast out at Westhaven the other day $100 just to use the mast derrick then we got told we aren't allowed to drive it so a rigger has to come out. Two of them plus travel from miles away makes the total bill nearly $500 bucks for 45 mins work that we could have done easily ourselfs!
Gone are the days where I climbed up on the roof of the yacht Club to lash a block and a spinnaker sheet to the front beam of the travel lift so I could raise my mast and lower it in to the boat at low tied in the travel lift berth. Alll up cost me 1 doz steinlarger for the travel lift driver
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I think money is the key thing where forgetting. Sure I'd love bbw to draw me a new boat and have cookson build it for me and I'm sure 99% would love to update our old trojans but none of us have the readies up front.
Bargians on tme work because ppl think that over time they can re new upgrade etc in reality very little ppl achieve this because just the cost of owning a boat is dear enough.
So for us common folk well carry on having just as much fun with our outdated war houses as the guy in his new cookson all be it a little slower
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I think that 1104 was a timber top one that need serious amount of work. The boat looked like it had been abandoned for a few years. That 88 at 35k is hard to believe it looks like a good boat!
Sometimes I think of getting something bigger faster etc but then selling mine would be hard work because I don't want to give it away. So I just enjoy what I have and what we do with her
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The 1020 was definitely not sold for 15k! It did sell for what seems like a bargin but mainly because the owner's where overseas and needed out asap.
That was more the situation that created the bargin not the type of boat or condition creating the bargin.
Me personally I think a bendy boat or a janola bottle (jeanneau?) Would be fine if you want something that looks more like an apartment block than a boat and you didn't intend to leave the relative shelter of the hauraki.
Every few years the imports bring out a newer model which makes the older ones worth less just like a car. As much as I love kiwi boat's the amount of boat for the dollar of the imports would be hard to over look depending on the type of sailing you wanted to do. I think the first 47.7 from overseas are amazing value but still not sure I would want to own one!
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Me either especially with the amount of docking it had to do. I hear the whole build was on the c#@&p!
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She's got a total of 6 engines running on heavy fuel. 4 are around 4,500kws each and the other 2 are around 1,200kws each. They run constant rpms and feed electrical power to a main board which then sends power to two megastars (basically eletric motors) that drive to shafts.
The beauty of this system is that any engine can feed power to the board which supplies power to the bow thrusters and also ships supply (lights hydraulics, galley ac etc) the board megastar conbination also makes changes in load easier on the main engines.
The downside is that the props aren't cpp (controlled pitched propellers) so docking becomes harder as the shafts have to come to a complete stop before changing direction and the megastar requires a large amount of cooling.
When extra load is applied the weakest link is usually the cooling system which causes concern first, generally long before any mechanical failures present themselves.
Normally we run a lt and a ht system. The lt is basically a fresh water system cooled by salt water and variation in temp isn't that critical. The ht hight temp cooling is very critical in how it's controlled and monitored. Ht cools things like the turbos injectors liners etc as an example liners don't like much more variation than ten degrees between the water entering and the water exiting. Much more than that and they start cracking and at 500kgs each it's and expensive fix!
This shaft thing is highly usual and no one so far in their entire careers has seen this sort of failure before.
Maybe we should do away with this whole shaft thing and get some big ass jet units. Imagine the rooster tails
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Does seem like it all adds up to be your fault lol. You havnt book on any planes lately? !
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A few issues for me.
Firstly no way the life raft should have escaped like that. Secondly auto pilot failure I dnt see as a big deal unless ur solo or two up. We've always hand steered esp when it's rough. Auto pilots are reactive humans are proactive. When sailing rough weather people should do a better job at avoiding the big ones the knock downs etc.
Thirdly the steering gear looks like it's made up of bailing twine and climbing fittings I'm not surprised it broke.
Lastly maybe I underestimate the sea state but to me that didn't look like 7meters. Granted I was on my comfy couch but if it was 7 meters I'd expect them to have found them selfes in a whole lot of trouble.
Glad they did it and made it but it does tend to make us yachties look like a bunch of halfwits. A documentary of Django's trip might be a better representation for most of us.
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They run 24/7 normally late night sailings are dangerous goods (I use to think bombs and stuff but mainly chemicals doh) so limited number of passengers.
Lengthening ships is very common throughout the rest of the world and has worked very successfully I think the major problem here is the part of the world we are in. Normally sea state pattern frequency wave period etc are taken into account when contemplating lengthening. The issue wellington has is that the sea state etc can very so much. Big ocean swells in the strait, big short confused seas at karori, 6 return trips a day. I think this may have been overlooked or not understood fully when considering the lengthening job .
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OK I guess I better enter into the conversation. Imho the main issue the tere has, is it's time table. The extension very publicly cost a lot more than budgeted or expected. The only way to get those costs back was to make the tere work to earn her keep which meant three return sailings a day.
The down side to three sailings a day is that it only leaves 50minutes turn around. That's 50 minutes to unload passangers, cars, trucks, trains and then reload passangers cars trucks trains & take on fuel. Planes don't even load unload this quickly! You can see how one truck that won't start, a sick passenger requiring a ambulance, spring tides, a southerly makes that time impossible to keep.
Tere runs 6 days a week 3 sailings a day. The 7th day is a maintenence day but what happens is during the week she runs later and later and in order to NOT cancel sailings the 7th day (maintenence) day gets canceled so she can take sailings.
This means not only does maintenence day not happen but the engine's get pushed harder and harder to try and find time. The tere gets absolutely thrashed.
The bigger props and the two extra engines installed during the extension where to be called on help maintain time table if there was stronger tides or if she was late leaving the berth etc it was never intended to be pushed that hard day in day out. This break when driven hard continually as we all know.
The smaller props may only be 15 mins slower per trip which doesn't seem like much and isn't really but it's a huge deal on that time table. I think it's great they've found some props that will get the speed back up without working at near peak shaft loading. Let's not forget where not dealing with your standard 16"x12 briski here.
Testing at dry dock is basically to make sure it floats and that's about it. Dry docks cost over 30k a day. Everyday it's empty costs the yard money. The moment you're out of the dock there's another ship waiting to go in. I've had a main engine crap out 30 mins into a return trip home after a dry dock.
So during testing they discovered the ship was a tad slower. What could they do about it? Go back into the dock and wait until next year until the new props are made? Or put the bigger props that are on the verge of peak shaft hp? Or head for home and get the service going again and work on the next step.
Let's keep in mind that choosing a prop for a roro ship like the tere takes month's and month's of pretty clued up people running number's and calculations like you wouldn't believe. It's not like picking one for the 36 yanmar.
The prop shaft engine loadings are calculated for loadings that your likely to see with some level of redundancy. Just like building a boat and plenty of them break all the time just like in the last fiji race. Sometimes the loads are just too high.
And finally phew marathon post sorry guys! Parking these things.
From time to time you do hit the warf the average roro has 1hp to ton. So putting that into perspective next time it's blowing it's ass off and you're running late to be some where try parking with only 6hp and see how u get on.
Repeat that operation 2190 times (number of docking procedures a year) andc get back to me with your results!
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Crevic corrosion?
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I think marine Monel bolts are 400n grade and they do tend to have a copperish colour over time. Here's a pic of the monel bolts and phosphor bronze nuts on my boat all cleaned up. When I take the keel off I will make up new one piece washers for the double bolts as it is much stronger than individual washes. Just to be extra sure I'll get more nuts so that I can double them up.
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Use a magnet. Don't be afraid to tap the bolts with a hammer and listen for any difference in sound between all the bolts.
I can understand putting off keel bolt concerns. Drawing a keel bolt out can be a major expensive job especially if they are j bolts and getting a new keel is out of the reach of most of us.
My 3rd from aft keel bolt is weeping. It's a bit odd because I havnt hit anything and every year I've pulled her out there's no weeping in the join, no cracks, I torqued the bolts up so piece of mind I'll pull it off and have a look.
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Totally agree about stainless and the issues that can arise from s/s in the absence of air. Monel is the best but it's too dear for production boats.
I have a leaking keel bolt and the keel is coming off in August to inspect. I'm hoping that because the bolts are Monel I'll be OK! !!
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Seems reasonable!
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It's hard to know from the safety of my chair but it looks like the problem is with the bolts rather than the grid system they have used.
I'm guessing here but the grid is probably a top hat type (hollow) that's glued in , which means there is no choice but to bolt the keel to hull rather than the floors. It's quicker to build this way in a mould and therefore cheaper.
I'm not a huge fan of inline bolts too much wiggle with probably s/s bolts too. I agree with leading edge about flexural fatigue. Dont some benes have galv keel bolts?
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Did someone say new sails I want some of those! I priced out nz & Defender for Raymarine gear and Defender won out by a reasonable amount....however I'm still poor!
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I get all my stuff from Mauri pro or Defender. Check out Defenders HTX (lewmar) range compared to nz prices its crazy...On a side note Id love kiwi or a Ross40 not enough loot though
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I really liked the idea of buying boats from overseas the asking prices seemed so attractive. I was/am particularly keen on the Archambault40 & the asking price had me fizzing until I sat down &ran the numbers..No way I'm spending 150/200k on a boat sight unseen so I priced air fares for 2 people return to croaita...then I priced shipping around 40k (assuming they ship from wherever the boat is which isn't always the case) then I found out you have to pay the gst of not only the purchase price of the boat but also on the cost of the shipping, then you have to pay 5% duty on the lot. Next the thing has to be insured this alone wil make your eyes water, then there's handling fees, customs fees, haul out fees the list got bigger and bigger...time off work etc then all of a sudden boats like kiwi & jesse look fabulous & the price they want for them seems pretty fair. I came to the conclusion.....
Rock hard place
Who is going to buy our yachts and at what price?
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Can the train wreck hit a couple of cookson 50 first! Wouldn't mind one of those bad boys