The AC, what now?

[Guest]

One commentary.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10882937

[Guest]

Big difference between OR capsize and AR

 

With ORs pitchpole the wind stayed up long enough for the crew to get away

 

I do think this was the case with AR because it broke first and then capsized

 

Hard to call the AC72 class a complete falure yet

[Guest]

Big difference between OR capsize and AR

 

With ORs pitchpole the wing stayed up long enough for the crew to get away

 

I don't think this was the case with AR because it broke first and then capsized

 

Hard to call the AC72 class a complete falure yet

 

Typos fixed

[Guest]

Scenario one

 

oracle win and they will move to a new concept and reign in the costs. ETNZ will/should be shut down and any spare funding to go Into clubs.... yeah right! Dalts will want to end the gravy train.

 

Scenario two

 

ETNZ wins and returns to traditional concept and reigns in the cost. nobody will want to challenge as the shine Has finally gone of the bullshit that is the AC. Larry E moves on to new things.

 

Either way the recession is not going away fast and the few people interested in this event have better things to worry about.

 

There is nothing they can do to fire up the excitement level any more. A conventional event will appeal to the purists but they have moved on or died. The XYZ gens will be bored and as such the Cup goes quite for quite. While.

[Guest]

Scenario one

 

oracle win and they will move to a new concept and reign in the costs. ETNZ will/should be shut down and any spare funding to go Into clubs.... yeah right! Dalts will want to end the gravy train.

 

Scenario two

 

ETNZ wins and returns to traditional concept and reigns in the cost. nobody will want to challenge as the shine Has finally gone of the bullshit that is the AC. Larry E moves on to new things.

 

Either way the recession is not going away fast and the few people interested in this event have better things to worry about.

 

There is nothing they can do to fire up the excitement level any more. A conventional event will appeal to the purists but they have moved on or died. The XYZ gens will be bored and as such the Cup goes quite for quite. While.

[Guest]

I'll pull this from the other thread

 

After recent events:

 

How about TP 52's?

 

Rule exists and works, existing boats, close racing, room for some development, way cheaper.

If it were to be in NZ there would be greater exposure/financial gain to the country from 20 syndicates in TP52s than 2 or three big one offs.

[Guest]

I say keep the foiling cats. Much more development to be done in this class

[Fish 0]

They won't cancel this cup, it will go ahead.

 

Why

The sad truth is that guys die in workplace accidents regularly, forests keep getting milled, buildings keep getting built and roads keep getting laid. The deaths hardly make the news normally.

 

There is an entire industry around this event, $100's of millions of dollars on the line, jobs and contracts.

 

The syndicates will be respectful and circumspect for a bit, they will probably set up a trust fund or something, then they will go ahead with the racing.

 

And as David Lackey said, ratings will go up with a macabre public now getting more coverage of the event. I.e. more advertising revenue.

[Guest]

It was not a Pitchpole or Capsize but design failure.

 

Richard Woods Multihull Designer Quotation.

 

"I don't recall ever hearing before, of such a total beam failure on a large racing multihull", and in comparison with what just occurred with Artemis, I cannot think of an equivalent.".

 

Another quotation.

 

":A Sailworld article quoting Nathan Outteridge's father Tony Outteridge who spoke to his son after the accident apparently the boat "folded like a taco" during a bear away. They had made the decision to abort the session due to the strengthening wind and were about to head back to base when the accident happened: "

 

And Dalton has suggested and complained the winds are too light for the Boats, and OR has a light air boat, which Coutes has denied.

 

And that's why Alingi's and other syndicate's have stayed clear, until they get the stress numbers and design correct.

 

Didn't TNZ's mast also fail as a first All carbon mast? The cup still went on.

[Guest]

They won't cancel this cup, it will go ahead.

 

Why

The sad truth is that guys die in workplace accidents regularly, forests keep getting milled, buildings keep getting built and roads keep getting laid. The deaths hardly make the news normally.

 

There is an entire industry around this event, $100's of millions of dollars on the line, jobs and contracts.

 

The syndicates will be respectful and circumspect for a bit, they will probably set up a trust fund or something, then they will go ahead with the racing.

 

And as David Lackey said, ratings will go up with a macabre public now getting more coverage of the event. I.e. more advertising revenue.

 

 

Yes.

Artemis Racing is sharing and exchanging data and information with concurrent work being performed by America's Cup and the San Francisco Police Department now.

[Guest]

Any suggestion of the show not going on is pure fancy. Of course it must and it will.

 

Accidents happen in any sport and extreme sports are, by definition. extremely hazardous.

 

Looking at the range of accidents over the past year or so the AC in it's current speedy form is probably no less safe than (a) fox hunting ( ballooning © sky diving (d) deer stalking (e) duck shooting or (f) chasing hoons through the streets of Mangere.

 

That is not to say that one condones the fatuous way in which this great sporting event has been high-jacked and wrecked by self seeking egotistical prats - but then it has always attracted self seeking egotistical prats so one shouldn't be too surprised.

[Guest]

How many AC 72 sailing vessels are there sailing at the present time worldwide compared to Ballooning balloons, Sky divers, deer Stalkers.

 

sh*t there is big ratio difference is there not. Sky divers 1 death to about 1 million participants.

[rigger 47]

Skydiving is not something new.

An AC 72 is very new.

[El Toro 97]

Two boats not designed to foil but modified to have crashed... one had issues from the get go and the other had mean flex... yes 50% but its kind off like listening to a left leaning polly screw the stats to suit their own needs.

 

Looking at OR new boat, which is designed to foil, looks ALOT more stable and controlled. Id imagine the new AR boat would be the same

[El Toro 97]

Left, right, sideways...the point remains, one wouldn't dramatically modify an F1 car to do things it wasn't designed to do in the first place.

The 50% that have failed have done just that.

 

Tnz have built a boat to foil and it looks very solid, to solid and thus slower? Who knows.

 

My two cents worth anyway

[Clipper 343]

My thoughts are that a badly designed ac72 is clearly dangerous. But that in no way suggests they all are, or that they should not be used for the cup.

 

One would assume a badly designed IACC boat is also dangerous. It might perhaps, break in half and sink. Or the keel might fall off, or it might snap in half and somehow not sink, or the mast might come down.