Sailing2018 0 Posted March 26, 2018 Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 3 month Contract mid June to mid sept. STCW95 an advantage 90ft yacht that day sails out of Sag Harbor Some deckhand work and cooking All expenses paid Please contact Cris 021405426 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MarkMT 68 Posted March 26, 2018 Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 So only women should apply?? Interesting... https://www.eeoc.gov/laws/types/sex.cfm Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Panther 706 Posted March 26, 2018 Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 You've obviously never seen me in fishnets and stilettos. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SloopJohnB 162 Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 Unfortunately. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DanInEurope 34 Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 So only women should apply?? Interesting... https://www.eeoc.gov/laws/types/sex.cfm He didn't say only women should apply. He just gave the job title as 'stewardess'. If he said 'steward' it wouldn't imply that only men could apply either. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sailing2018 0 Posted March 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 Yes any sex can apply, Thanks Cris Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tamure 413 Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 Thats not even a dogwhistle Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MarkMT 68 Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 He didn't say only women should apply. He just gave the job title as 'stewardess'. If he said 'steward' it wouldn't imply that only men could apply either. Not trying to wind anyone up as Cris's response effectively settles the issue. Still Dan's point is interesting... I certainly concur with your second point about 'steward' - I don't think anyone would dispute that that term is gender-neutral. But I think it would be a lot harder to find people who consider 'stewardess' to also be gender-neutral. Indeed it's not hard to find references that explicitly define it in gender-specific terms and I suspect many would take the choice of language to mean that only women should apply. But whether a US court would take that view I have no idea. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DanInEurope 34 Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 Not trying to wind anyone up as Cris's response effectively settles the issue. Still Dan's point is interesting... I certainly concur with your second point about 'steward' - I don't think anyone would dispute that that term is gender-neutral. But I think it would be a lot harder to find people who consider 'stewardess' to also be gender-neutral. Indeed it's not hard to find references that explicitly define it in gender-specific terms and I suspect many would take the choice of language to mean that only women should apply. But whether a US court would take that view I have no idea. It is an interesting point. Legally speaking, the masculine also includes the feminine and vice versa - unless specified otherwise. Hence even in the 1964 US Civil Rights Code, it universally uses 'his' to ascribe rights. In this case I think you would have to be specific that only women apply as well as use the term stewardess. However, in these days of over sensitivity to such matters, I'm not sure how a US tribunal would see it. Interestingly the Civil Rights code does allow exceptions, such as when the gender of the applicant is essential to the job. However in the case of airline stewardesses at least, the exception doesn't hold, so won't here either. What is somewhat ironic is that if there was a sexual aspect to this job - ie some form of 'adult entertainment' then the employer would be justified in law in discriminating! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tamure 413 Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 When an advertisement appears for "a stewardess" the vast majority of people would automatically assume that the position is for a female. No one is going to engage in an intellectual debate about it. If Cris genuinely wanted a crew member of either gender he/she could have made it far clearer. Stewardess for some deckhand work and cooking screams gender neutral- yeah right. More like young unattached female. Sabre 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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