Island Time 1,239 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 From sailing Anarchy : Question from Race Director Phil Lawrence Regarding Rule 41: “On Leg 4 Race Control noticed that SHK Scallywag was on collision course with a reef and sent the boat the e-mail below: Hi Libby/Dave: Just so I can relax a bit here in Race Control, tell me you are happy with you course in relation to Nerues Reef on Landsdown Bank. The Australian Charts have the Reef extending to 160 35E which is further east than the C-Map charts show. -Rick Tomlinson, Race Control Race Control did not give SHK Scallywag any further navigation advice. SHK Scallywag lost 50 miles whilst the crew worked out a way around the reef. Does this constitute outside assistance under RRS 41 as the crew were in danger? Please would you consider and advise.” Answer: The Jury advises that Race Control’s action did not result in a breach of rule 41 by SHK Scallywag. SHK Scallywag did receive help from an outside source, in this case the Race Control. However, the help given is permitted under rule 41(d). The information was not requested by SHK Scallywag so it was unsolicited information. The source, in this case a member of the Race Control, was a disinterested source for the purposes of rule 41 because he had no personal or other interest in the position of SHK Scallywag relative to other boats in the race. Nor would he gain or lose in any way as a result of the position of SHK Scallywag in the race. The source was an employee of Volvo Ocean Race who, as a member of Race Control, has a responsibility for the safety of all competitors. Asking the question he did was therefore a proper action for him to take. -International Jury, Hong Kong Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fish 0 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 I think the Race Director did the right thing, safety trumps racing rules anyday. The BIG question that nobody appears to have commented on though, how could it happen a second time? The fact that the Race Director had to intervene to avoid a raceboat wrecking itself on a charted reef (again) demonstrates the Volvo Ocean Race has not been able to learn any lessons or initiate any changes from the last incident. There are major questions about the adequacy of the charting software being used, and the systems and practices required to prevent dangerous accidents. A repeat of the last Vestas grounding would have been an absolute PR disaster. Combined with the current Vestas fatal collision, it may well be the end of the Volvo Ocean Race. There already appears to be a vacuum in leadership in this race after the Vestas collision. A near miss of the exact same incident as the Vestas grounding raises major alarm bells about the strength of leadership, management ability and basic safe operation of the race. This is supported by the chaotic start to the race with the CEO resigning, skippers getting sacked, legal squabbles, shore team members jumping onboard the morning of the start and teams needing to borrow crew off other teams. And that is only what we've heard about. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Island Time 1,239 Posted January 31, 2018 Author Share Posted January 31, 2018 Exactly Fish! I wondered if anyone else would see that as the main issue - I sure do Quote Link to post Share on other sites
raz88 96 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 I think the Race Director did the right thing, safety trumps racing rules anyday. The BIG question that nobody appears to have commented on though, how could it happen a second time? The fact that the Race Director had to intervene to avoid a raceboat wrecking itself on a charted reef (again) demonstrates the Volvo Ocean Race has not been able to learn any lessons or initiate any changes from the last incident. Seems they have initiated one change, which is contacting the boats if they see them headed somewhere dumb. At least this time there was no crash. Hard to believe the pros on the boats are still messing it up though! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Island Time 1,239 Posted January 31, 2018 Author Share Posted January 31, 2018 You really have to question the professionalism of the navigators at least. Their primary job is to get to the finish! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JK 28 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 The reef is a small part of a bank that covers 21,000km2, around the same size top-bottom as Auckland-BOI. The bank is generally 60-80m on a sandy bottom, the reef itself has 3.7m of water, 5.5m at high tide. The boats 4.78m draft, less when canted. Maybe the navigator thought they had it covered but took action to be 100% sure when contacted by the race director. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Battleship 100 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Agree entirety JK. Can imagine the navigator was a bit nervous but thought the would just have enough water. Then got the email and thought the better of it. Bit hard to penalise if it wasn't asked for. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fish 0 Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 Thats an interesting thought JK and Willow. I'm not convinced though. Looking at the Volvo tracker, they did a massive dog leg, first heading east, then doubling back around on themselves and heading west, passing their original track before heading north again. Refer 6th Jan between 7:30 and 10 am UTC. http://www.volvooceanrace.com/en/tracker.html The track really does not look like someone who had a plan, or any confidence in what they were doing.They boxed right then doubled back on their track left again. This took about 2 hrs, and apparently cost a good 50 miles. Navionics charts show a 12 mile reef with zero depth over it. But google maps shows no visible land there. I don't have any other charting software of that area to compare, and i have no idea how accurate Navionics is for an area like that. Navionics does show the depths rising up from 2,000 odd m to the cover over the Landsdowne bank rather sharply. You'd have to have nerves of absolute steel, and a very low risk / consequence personality to try racing over that if you thought you were going to have 1 or 2 m clearance. Maybe they lost their nerve with an audacious plan, maybe they were relying on one charting package and didn't validate it with another, such as the Aust. charts. Given the state of the track, that they took 2 hrs plus to get around it and lost 50 miles, I'm going with option that they weren't properly aware of it and / or didn't have a plan. I agree they shouldn't be penalised for it, the information was unsolicited. The evidence shows the information cost them 50 miles. Somehow they did go on to win the leg though. I'd love a descent press conference / interview on it. Bet a good bottle of whisky that wont happen. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Island Time 1,239 Posted February 1, 2018 Author Share Posted February 1, 2018 Ok, I have three different charts of the area. One of the NZ LINZ ones, CM93, and Navionics. All show a reef with extensive shallows, extending past 160 35 E, the Linz one is (interestingly) the least clear. Personally i would not cross this area between 160 09 E and 161 49 E unless daylight in good conditions, then cautiously? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Battleship 100 Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 Looking at the tracker looks really weird, they could have just kept going east and followed Brunel into safe water but instead did a u turn and headed west surely if they were avoiding the reef the could have just kept heading east? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fish 0 Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 Looking at the tracker looks really weird, they could have just kept going east and followed Brunel into safe water but instead did a u turn and headed west surely if they were avoiding the reef the could have just kept heading east? Absolutely agree, the got up to Brunel's track, then turned west and boxed back at half speed. That does make it look like they didn't have a clue what they were doing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JK 28 Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 My reading is that the reef is submerged around 4m & 12 miles long but otherwise 60-80m depth. Wasn't suggesting they cant the keel & try and shoot over the top, just that if they felt confident in their information/location they would have been comfortable going relatively close. I'd say the navigator was initially confident of their track but when they received the email they panicked as they could then not be sure where it was. Guess they only have the one brand of navigation equipment on board so not able to cross reference with what the email said & ended up going far enough around to be sure... Although Brunel would have been within AIS range so they would be able to see the track they had taken - but maybe their info had them thinking Brunel had gone too close. The dogleg was around 12 miles side-side. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Island Time 1,239 Posted February 1, 2018 Author Share Posted February 1, 2018 JK in my charts, outside of the 12NM bit that actually dries, there are several rocks at less than 2m... As all three sources disagree, the data is very unreliable. I'd not cross it, certainly not fast or at night. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JK 28 Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 IT, not saying they should cross it, and doubt they would be thinking that either. They seemed to be on a constant course which I'd assume they thought had them passing safely to one side, then they receive an email asking them if they are comfortable with their course as another charting package has them going straight for the reef. They change direction as if to follow Brunel, then decide to go back where they were but overshooting by a few miles to be on the safe side. As if they were more confident of their original track than the one Brunel followed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Battleship 100 Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 Absolutely agree, the got up to Brunel's track, then turned west and boxed back at half speed. That does make it look like they didn't have a clue what they were doing. Well they were in last place, so maybe it was either resign themselves to last by following or do something different. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fish 0 Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 Well they were in last place, so maybe it was either resign themselves to last by following or do something different. Yes, and it worked for them. They did win the leg. Especially in a one design fleet, you can follow the leader or take a risk going somewhere else. Don't think anyone ever won a one design race by following the leader. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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