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11 hours ago, Black Panther said:

I thought a rib fill of ice cream in the BoI over summer would be a good business. 

If in a couple years you see a Pogo called Firefly in your bay with a flag saying "Flat Whites", you'll know to pop over in the morning...

7 hours ago, Steve Pope said:

I think you have to understand Greek culture, Greeks tend to promenade in the evening, often ending up at a / the local Taverna for a late meal around 9 / 10 o/clock. During the day the same Taverna feeds locals / workers with very reasonably priced tucker. No noveau quisine. Would be hard to find in NZ as most restaurants want to cater to the upper end of society. Ie those with lots of dough or expense accounts. 
NZ is in reality a low wage economy that would do well with copying the Greek way, just need a couple of million Greeks.

 

Yeah I think it's a combination of a lot of factors, a number of which you list here, along with weather (as Darkside mentioned).

In the Med it's HOT, and it stays that way late into the evening - meals are eaten late, because it's simply too hot to have a decent meal at 18-20.
The weather is pretty settled over the summer. There is the Meltimi, but it's all wind no rain, and it comes from one Quadrant - predictable, the odd Medicane, and y'all better hunker down.  In NZ, as soon as it gets to 7-8pm it gets cold (relatively speaking; What's it like in the Sounds?) so we don't all hangout etc. until later in the evening.

NZ is, as you say, a low wage place, and the restaurants are high price, not catering to a reasonable lunch set, etc. In the evening, your options are takeaways or a restaurant most can't afford. 

The place I reference in Greece charged us €69 for a 14 course feast (incl. wine) for 5 adults. We were horrified and tipped accordingly, but of course the locals have bugger all cash compared to the middle class sailing guests from Germany. Here in Zurich, Switzerland I can pay 22 bucks for a 3 course sit down lunch at a reasonable restuarant; Salad and bread, Saltimbocca mit spuds, + desert - it's very common to go out to for lunch, and there's even a box on your tax return where you include your lunch costs. In Italy, it would cost considerably less, and it's a damn sight better than a sliced whitebread egg sandwich or a chicken roll.

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But back on topic, let's say you were skipper for a charter crew in AKL, you want to show them the gulf for a week. What's your route assuming you want to try to minimise cooking on the boat. Two routes? One being money no object, the other being, 30 bucks a night per person for meals...?

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Marlborough sounds. Lochmara, furneax, punga Lodges all do this. 

Wouldn’t be waxing  to lyrical about things economic and Greeks. Sure things are going to get tight here but in Greece it’s been bad for a long time and will be even worse now. However as BP

One of the reasons we don't eat out as often as we used to is that the price difference between that and buying something special and cooking it at home has simply become too great. 

7 hours ago, Steve Pope said:

NZ is in reality a low wage economy that would do well with copying the Greek way, just need a couple of million Greeks.

Wouldn’t be waxing  to lyrical about things economic and Greeks.

Sure things are going to get tight here but in Greece it’s been bad for a long time and will be even worse now.

However as BP eludes to re-eating in here in Poncenby a beer is $11.00 and a splash of wine is $13.00 so tend to eat in rather than pay that extortionate price before you have even got to the menu.

Re cruising with guests and following a culinary trail our preferred choice is to eat bloody well aboard at all times .

 

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Yeah let's not talk about how damn expensive it is to eat and drink in NZ compared to wages/disposable, and I don't buy that whole "it's because we're isolated" BS. Something is wrong in NZ and it will take a big player with huge balls and deep pockets to force a paradigm shift - but this topic is for a thread elsewhere.

Eating aboard is what we've always done (except Greece and 2 nights in France). But if you're on holiday for a week, might as well make the most of it. Going on holiday for two weeks and dragging the same chores with you was recently pointed out to me as "THIS IS NOT A HOLIDAY!!! I ALREADY SPEND HALF MY DAY BELOW FEEDING CHILDREN!"

Might need to hire a nanny as part of the crew next time...
 

 

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2 hours ago, DrWatson said:

But back on topic, let's say you were skipper for a charter crew in AKL, you want to show them the gulf for a week. What's your route assuming you want to try to minimise cooking on the boat. Two routes? One being money no object, the other being, 30 bucks a night per person for meals...

Probably not enough places that do this kind of thing to handle the two scenarios. But there are options, assuming you don't mind ferrying yourself ashore.

- Head from other marina to gulf harbour and go to restaurant there. 

- kawau boating club 

- possibly pub at Fitzroy although heard it might have closed

- heaps of choice at oneroa. Including a forum member here who has bought/opened a restaurant there this year. I suspect you could do dinner at a new place at oneroa each night for a week. Also accessible from oneroa or Blackpool so doable in any wind direction 

- Onetangi. Not super different from oneroa, but different eateries. 

- man o war. Beautiful for lunch. Not certain if still open for dinner? 

- various options in Warkworth, requires a decent trip up the river from mahurangi in your dinghy. 

- possibly options at coromandel township. Haven't been for so long I'm not sure what's there these days. 

- if you don't mind a walk or are happy with an uber, many vineyards, craft breweries etc on waiheke. All within easy organising distance of good anchorages. Mostly not cheap. Google cable bay or mud brick to get a feel. 

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23 hours ago, Priscilla II said:

Wouldn’t be waxing  to lyrical about things economic and Greeks.

Sure things are going to get tight here but in Greece it’s been bad for a long time and will be even worse now.

However as BP eludes to re-eating in here in Poncenby a beer is $11.00 and a splash of wine is $13.00 so tend to eat in rather than pay that extortionate price before you have even got to the menu.

Re cruising with guests and following a culinary trail our preferred choice is to eat bloody well aboard at all times .

 

The Euro is what did for the Greeks, everything worked (in Greek fashion) with the drachma, endemic corruption, offshore fiddles for the big boys, but somehow it all worked ( Italy similar but with the mafia thrown in) How Greece worked is spelt out in Pitmans book of Law! The only thing said about Greece was:- A contract in Greece is an agreement to continue negotiations!! 

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A real big difference is cost. It is much cheaper to cruise Greek waters and moor up at night and eat out there than it is here in NZ. To hire a yacht here costs a fortune and then eating out at any of those places in the Sounds also costs a fortune. It was once a common thing here in the Sound. Today it is very rare and all those places have either gone or struggling to survive.

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After last years few months in the northern hemisphere I'm struggling with the expensive food comment.  We found the EU quite pricey like for like in the food stakes. But I did find the food to be a higher quality than memory/stories had me expecting, especially so when we popped over to Scotland. I was expecting thick, sticky and heavy but got just awesome. Man they have some spectacular beef, easy twice the NZ price but exceptionally good.

We tend to target the cheaper more fun locals tidy cafe like establishments rather than anything la-de-do-da silver service, mainly as you meet locals in cafes. The usual trip advisor search term was 'good cheap food in {towns name}', we'd target 4 stars or more then whatever the guts felt like.

We were paying NZ30 for pizza, over NZ30 for a cheeseburger and into the mid 40's for a Pad Thai. All were good but you can buy equal quality for a lot less here. Those prices were in a smallish EU country, not Scotland.

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