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3 hours ago, Knot Me... maybe said:

 

We were paying NZ30 for pizza, over NZ30 for a cheeseburger and into the mid 40's for a Pad Thai. All were good but you can buy equal quality for a lot less here. Those prices were in a smallish EU country, not Scotland.

Wow that's a LOT! What country was that? Also, why you eating Pad Thai in Europe? lol ;)

My experiences in France, Germany, Greece, Italy and Spain, are completely the opposite. Even in Switz I pay only equivalent 20nzd for a great Italian pizza. Italy, 9 course meal incl. wine, 50nzd each. Greece, 14 dishes, + figs + wine enough for 5 Adults, 25 nzd each.

Croatia was more expensive, and the quality (Vis, end of season) was pretty poor, along with surly service ... 

 

 

 

 

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Marlborough sounds. Lochmara, furneax, punga Lodges all do this. 

Wouldn’t be waxing  to lyrical about things economic and Greeks. Sure things are going to get tight here but in Greece it’s been bad for a long time and will be even worse now. However as BP

One of the reasons we don't eat out as often as we used to is that the price difference between that and buying something special and cooking it at home has simply become too great. 

I have a good friend that has his Boat in a Marina in Turkey. It's cheap to do so an he has a local that looks after it for him. He goes there each year and Sails the Med. Food in Turkey and Greece and in between is dirt cheap. Of course there will be some Med Countries that will be astronomically expense as well I am sure.

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14 hours ago, DrWatson said:

Wow that's a LOT! What country was that? Also, why you eating Pad Thai in Europe? lol ;)

My experiences in France, Germany, Greece, Italy and Spain, are completely the opposite. Even in Switz I pay only equivalent 20nzd for a great Italian pizza. Italy, 9 course meal incl. wine, 50nzd each. Greece, 14 dishes, + figs + wine enough for 5 Adults, 25 nzd each.

Croatia was more expensive, and the quality (Vis, end of season) was pretty poor, along with surly service ...

I was pre-loading for the stop in Asia on the way home :) I was doing local everything but every 10 days or so I jumped cuisines for a feed maybe 2 just for a change....only the food, never the beer. I always asked for the beer that was made the closet to where we were at the time, it is a magnificent way to find some awesome micro and at times not so micro breweries.

The Pizza and Pad Thai were in a wee city called Bern during a unexpected over night stop. I bet the Wa can still name the establishments, she's a bit freaky like that. I shall ask her.

We reckoned mainland EU was a little more pricey then the UK. Talking restaurant like food, not supermarkets which tended to be cheaper than NZ but heavily infested with exceptionally bullshit packaging, I'd be able to buy feck all in many of them, and some of the raw products (fruit, Veg, Meat) looked low quality. That's in your average Pack n Slave, Countdown supermarkets. Chickens in a pommie Supermarket, here we'd call them Sparrows. An organic Chicken over 50 pounds.....OUCH!!!!!, 

Got away early one day for what was a biggest ride for the day and stopped at a M&S Food Court in lower Scotland for a brunch. Hoy f*ck 'food court' to them and to us are hell different. We were expecting a NZ style with a lot of micro outfits but found the M&S was one giant pre-packaged meal supermarket. The entire thing was pre-packed meals of every shape size and description, which was bloody impressive until my packaging analness kicked in and I started to damn near hypo-ventilate as how much there was. That's one thing about NZ supermarkets, at least they are starting to realise the punters don't want individually wrapped Peas and other foods so I maybe able to buy sweetcorn from a supermarket again one day soon...Na, we don't for fresh goods at supermarkets, we use a butcher and green grocer for the better quality.

Anyway from last years wonder I don't see NZ eating out prices being anything that unusual from what we paid in the Northern Hemp...... as long as you do compare like for like.

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I was there (Greece) last year and wouldn’t want to see any level of Activity close to what was there.   We left from Athens so was in the main charter area. It was basically a zoo on boats. We returned to the marina on the Friday Amongst 2-300 other boats. There was a traffic jam at the marina entrance. 
We had 2 weeks so got further away than the main fleet of weekly charters For a bit but the crowd of boats at Idras was fun to see but not be part of. 
I’d hate to see Bay if islands or gulf turned into that sort of zoo.

i say let’s keep what we have and travel to experience what other have to put up with. 

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14 hours ago, Knot Me... maybe said:

The Pizza and Pad Thai were in a wee city called Bern during a unexpected over night stop. I bet the Wa can still name the establishments, she's a bit freaky like that. I shall ask her.

AHhh, well Bern is going to be one of those "top five most expensive places on the continent" .... I mean it's Switzerland...

Pad Thai - Thai food in Switzerland is notoriously expensive :( Sushi is also on my "too pricey" list. Surprised at the pizza cost though.

 

 

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On 4/09/2020 at 2:26 AM, DrWatson said:

Not saying I think we should flood our waters with charter fleets.

But, the Med. style cruising, where you sail for a day, moor or anchor in a bay (or a small harbour) and go ashore to the local taberna for a damn fine meal and a glass of plonk certainly has its appeal.

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Picture this, you pull into Waiheke, Russel, Fitzroy, or Cavalis, or wherever, anchor or pick up a mooring owned by a restaurant on shore. Call them on the VHF or cell and they come out and pick you up in their rib, dropping you at the shore/wharf, you walk the xx meters to the restaurant, enjoy a great meal, and get dropped back to your boat at the end of it. Staying on the mooring for free because you ate at the restaurant. There's probably about a bazillion regulatory issues... but would anyone else be into it?

You can do that in the EU, in the UK, in the US, in Aussie and even in many Pac Islands.

Isn't much of the appeal NZ coastlines have due to them being a bit empty?

Also what damage would the infrastructure do to some of those places? It's not like sweeping a few rocks out the way and you don't need much imagination to know if you rolled a bulldozer on to Barrier just to make some 0.1%ers lives more convenient what sort of a sh*t storm it would create. 

We have Waiheke and that's fast becoming a weekend and wine infused shopping centre for the far from poor or those not doing it hard. I think keeping all those types confined in a smallish space like Waiheke is the best thing for NZ and the planet. Those that would prefer the likes of Med style cruzing, what in NZ is the equivalent of backpacking from the Sheraton to the Hilton,  do tend to have the wherewithal to buy a couple of air tickets making the Med less than 24hrs away.

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