harrytom 650 Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 http://www.givealittle.co.nz/fundraiser/whatsfishingworth Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kevin McCready 83 Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Will the value of more marine reserves be included in the research? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 650 Posted August 18, 2015 Author Share Posted August 18, 2015 I do not know the answer Kevin,all i know is we spend a hell of a lot money on new boats fishing gear accommodation etc and we employ a lot of people doing it,all about trying to get a fair deal,visit website and ask? tasmania has just released figure from 2011/2012 survey.550 thousand people in tassie,95 thou fish total spend was 95 million,new boats charters gear insurance accommodation etc 900thou fish in nz and our share is 65 of allowable catch while comms get 94% comms export about 1.4billion and take in value is about 85 million,so takes too much? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kevin McCready 83 Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 I'm an economist so know that these numbers are spurious unless "Natural Resource Accounting" is used. What's your opinion? Should we use natural resource accounting? Should the survey put a proper value on marine reserves? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 650 Posted August 19, 2015 Author Share Posted August 19, 2015 The survey is primary of what we the recreational fisherman spend in pursuit of our sport. What the return in taxes,gst etc is worth to the Government compared to what commercial returns. The latest survey figures for tasmania are interesting and will see a comparison to nz. http://dpipwe.tas.gov.au/Documents/Whats%20_the_Catch_Brochure.pdf I have my personal beliefs with reserves such as goat island,accessible for all. A reserve would work at Tiri tiri Island in wharf bay where the ferry goes,go ashore check out the bird life and while waiting for return ferry sea fish in the natural element. I am not entering a debate whether reserves are good or bad. The original post was put up for those who have a interest in fishing or involved in the marine industry. If we ceased fishing or cut down on the amount of trips would it effect your business . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Battleship 100 Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 If people cut down on trips or ceased fishing it would certainly make my weekends a lot nicer:) However I don't see how recreational fishing is of much value to Government other than recreational fishers vote, if it disappeared people would just spend their disposable income on something else surely? Commercial fishing income however does at least bring in much needed overseas funds which helps the economy no end, so is of infinitely more value and a better use of resource, despite what we may think of their methods. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kevin McCready 83 Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 I've done a bit more research on this. It's a no brains proposition to ignore marine reserves. If you want more fish you establish more reserves. Paradoxical but true. Less than 1%of our waters protected. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Panther 1,593 Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 I am sure I read when in Florida that a kilo of recreational fish is worth twice as much to the economy as a kilo of commercially caught fish??? anyone? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 650 Posted August 28, 2015 Author Share Posted August 28, 2015 Google this report Comparing NOAA’s Recreational and Commercial Fishing Economic Data Southwick & Assoc May 2013 In the USA 1lb of fish caught by comms generated $1.57 added value 1lb of fish caught by recreational generated $152.00 added value Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 650 Posted August 28, 2015 Author Share Posted August 28, 2015 http://asafishing.org/uploads/Comparing_Recreational_and_Commercial_Marine_Fishing_Data_Report_Summary_May_2013.pdf Comparing NOAA’s Recreational and Commercial Fishing Economic DataA report released in May 2013 by the American Sportfishing Association makes a powerful case that from an economic perspective, recreational fishing is just as important as commercial fishing, despite a much lower overall impact on the resource. According to the report, anglers landed just two percent of the total saltwater landings compared to ninety-eight percent caught by the commercial fishing industry.This first-of-its-kind analysis - Comparing NOAA’s Recreational and Commercial Fishing Economic Data, May 2013 - provides an apples-to-apples comparison of recreational and commercial marine fishing from an economic perspective using NOAA’s National Marine Fisheries Services (NOAA Fisheries) 2011 economic data. The report was produced for ASA by Southwick Associates. Among the findings are: Anglers landed just two percent of the total saltwater finfish landings compared to ninety-eight percent caught by the commercial fishing industry. Saltwater landings by anglers contributed three times more to the national gross domestic product (GDP, or value-added) than commercial landings. The recreational sector added $152.24 in value-added, or GDP, for one pound of fish landed, compared to the commercial sector’s $1.57 for a single pound of fish. Within the jobs market, the recreational sector made up fifty-four percent of all jobs, both recreational and commercial. This amounts to 455,000 recreational jobs compared to 381,000 on the commercial side. For every 100,000 pounds landed there were 210 recreational fishing jobs but only 4.5 jobs in the commercial fishing industry. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 650 Posted August 28, 2015 Author Share Posted August 28, 2015 If proven successful,can you imagine the returns to say Auckland. A charter vessel could go on a 4 hr trip with overseas guests who have limited time,catch a fish photograph and released.That fish could be caught 2/3 or more times and keeps adding value.ie accomodation,resturaunts etc. A commercially caught fish can only be caught once. Take a Kahawai for sport catch/release a heck of a lot of fun,whats it worth ?? Commercial currently selling Kahawai for 90 cents a kg So "Whats fishing worth" to the industry in the tourist and marine sector? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 650 Posted August 28, 2015 Author Share Posted August 28, 2015 While someone mentioned reserves,is this what you want to see?I do not. http://whangateauharbour.org/2015/08/25/towards-a-marine-protected-areas-network-for-the-hauraki-gulf-marine-park Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Panther 1,593 Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 I have to ask, what is it specifically about that proposal that you don't want to see? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pelagic Mountie 4 Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 I do... that looks great. Thanks for the link. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kevin McCready 83 Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 This sort of "economic" analysis is total bullshit. Coal production adds to GDP, ambulances and accidents add to GDP. Try a Yacy search for critique of this self-serving "research". 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 650 Posted August 29, 2015 Author Share Posted August 29, 2015 I have to ask, what is it specifically about that proposal that you don't want to see? Tends to lock up areas that small boats use .ie safe for families and shelter,the area around tirtiri matangi could have a benefit though,catch ferry to look at birds then a swim while waiting for ferry to see marine life. I accept this is not for everyone's liking but at some stage the government of the day must recognize the value of private fisherman and boaties in general.whether that be from the bait shop sparmaker engine repairer etc whether we fish or not . Our recreational pastime employees a lot of people directly and indirectly. I do not have all the answers,just putting it out there and if you need/want more information contact s are on the web site. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Panther 1,593 Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 I don't think the marine reserves means small boats can't go there, just no taking of marine life - am I right on that?? My very slightly informed impression is that the existing reserves have been a giant success, including benefits for local communities?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 650 Posted August 30, 2015 Author Share Posted August 30, 2015 correct no take zones Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 650 Posted April 7, 2016 Author Share Posted April 7, 2016 The results have now been released We are a billion $ industry http://nzmrf.org.nz/files/New-Zealand-Fishing-Economic-Report.pdf Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Panther 1,593 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/35574-global-fisheries-are-collapsing-what-happens-when-there-are-no-fish-left Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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