Island Time 1,239 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 See https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/100796275/boat-smash-injures-friends-ends-hobby-and-leads-to-128300-reparation-bill Take care out there! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 648 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Bit over the top compared to what fullers got fined for injuring 19 passengers.$40k court $90k reparation May 2017. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fish 0 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 What did Antaeous get for T-bonning Gypsy? I thought the lady in that incident had significant injuries as well. Lacks consistency... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
waikiore 400 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 It is quite right to compare this to Fullers and the Antaeus crash, though it begs the question -what about the other equally serious launch crashes during this period also at night that no one told the media about?? And true KM the Antaeus one was very different circumstances - broad daylight etc etc Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fish 0 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 I was referring to the post incident actions by assorted parties. One or 2 cocked up large and in doing so lead to the majority of the publics perception someone got 'away' with it. A HUGE input to the whole incidents outcome, that the public now see as far from optimal or fair, was due to the very same publics outcry and baying for blood when they had no fecking idea of what was actually going on. The public fucked over Gypsy as much as the crash did. But that's no surprise, the public seems incapable to wait for facts before they demand the hangmans noose is used. I'm bloody sure those post incident cock-ups and the publics desire for blood at almost any cost, was a significant input into the size of the fine. A simple 'Opps we fecked up large last time so lets take this dude down big time and very publicly so we don't look like dicks yet again'. I could be wrong but everything certainly points to that being a highly viable explanation. Is that good or bad??? A bit of both I'd say. Don't suppose you'd want to regale us with any actual facts? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
w44vi 17 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 If we compare this to the guy who steals a car, picks up some mates, does a runner from the police and then crashes injuring is mates What would you expect his fine to be ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kiwifish 30 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 If we compare this to the guy who steals a car, picks up some mates, does a runner from the police and then crashes injuring is mates What would you expect his fine to be ? The passengers of the car are able to recognise the level of risk and can influence the driver, where as the boat passengers or air craft passengers for example may not be aware of the risk and assume the skipper or pilot know what they are doing. Hence I think that skippers and pilots for that matter, have more responsibility than a driver of a car and legislation should reflect that. But yes I also agree that the size of the fines don’t appear to be consistent or fair. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ScottiE 174 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 passengers in a car may not be aware of the risk - children for example. So I think the analogy to a recreational skipper is fair (air craft pilots are a different matter). For accurate comparison - his fine was $6750, His reparation payments to the passengers who were hurt totalled ~128k. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 648 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 who remembers Waitara 2yrs ago ??failing to have onboard lifejackets and charged with manslaughter $5k He was ordered to pay Xu's family - his wife and 13-year-old daughter - $5000 in reparation www.stuff.co.nz/national/99216003/skipper-drowns-months-after-boating-accident-manslaughter-conviction Totally inconsistent! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 648 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 http://www.mastermariners.org.nz/?p=721 Ok KM please explain why $200 is all Brown got fined,ok St Clair Brown if you please. Meanwhile the Harbourmaster took the easy way out and issued a $200 infringement to the skipper of the ANTAEUS, Mr Charles St Clair Brown, for breach of the local Harbourmasters bylaws. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
waikiore 400 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 KM is right inasmuch as the actions of the parties straght after the incident influenced the outcome, what was said etc etc. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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