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Sounds like there are a few more options outside of Auckland where there's too much money sitting around! Good on the them but I need to buy a house too. I'm going to talk to a couple of people about a possible syndicate and see what comes up. Lots of good thoughts here from the truly budget through to the Y88, 930's etc which are a step up in price but a lot more boat. Thanks.

Yes way more boat, significantly more ongoing cost with size of sails, berth costs etc too, unfortunately.

A bit of a tangent off the current Coastal Classic 2020 discussion going on. What's at the opposite end of the bankroll from the big boys who actually got a boat home in the CC this year? I've sold the D28 and am missing my crew, the progress we were making, and those summer evenings on the water. I had a serious look at the Y88 class which has a lot going for it but is another step up in price. If I sacrifice the cruising side what's the most race fun we can have on the smallest possible budget? Requirements: Ideal crew 3 - 4? Budget price, low ongoing costs to keep mi

Before selling the Davidson 28 (which has gone to a lovely young couple down in Napier) I did the math on a CC race just for a laugh. Reckoned we could finish before cutoff given ideal weather the whole way up but anything else would be hopeless. It's pretty hard to set up an event that long that caters to everyone from the ocean racing crew down to the bottom end with the piedys etc. Currently sitting on the cash pondering it should go to a house deposit or more boat shenanigans. 🤑

In light wind as the wind comes forward to the beam (and maybe a touch higher depending) you can move the pole forward and dip it down a touch to flatten the luff. At that point you are very close to flying the symmetrical tacked down as like an asym. It is unlikely to go as well as a gennaker cut for that purpose though it will depend on how the sail is designed as there are different variations on spinnakers. The symmetrical spinnaker we fly on the Davidson above is a much fuller cut with big shoulders up high. That's a lot of sail hanging out the leeward side in a less than ideal shape

This is escalating quickly, there's a couple of Ross 1066's on TradeMe that look good fun too... Honestly right now I'm planning to list my boat, sail with some other crews, and go kayak fishing while I think it over.

I have an 8ft dinghy I've been building for over a year... so I understand 😅

I'm definitely keeping an eye open. I've had a couple of people through my boat so we'll see how that goes first, what I definitely don't want is two boats at once!

Which engine type is better for trolling? 🙄 Had a peek at a Lidgard Demon 10 too. Lots of options.

Yup, fortunately I've been through one boat already so have a little more idea what I'm looking at. Just to head off the impending debate... yes I'm aware both the diesel and outboard both have their pros and cons 😄

I'm having budget conversation now. Not many 1020's on the market currently, any idea of typical price range? I don't hear much about the Beale 33 but there a couple active on racetrack at least. Where do they sit in the scheme of things? (Yes I'm exploring all options up and down the budget range. Looking for a boat I can commit to for a good few years now)

Ah cool, that was just the class rating off this page: http://racetrack.org.nz/select_class.php. Thanks for all the thoughts in your posts here too. Comment on the pricing of Y88's was just after looking at TradeMe. Maybe they are being a bit optimistic there? They seem like a nice fit for what I want to do without taking the budget way up.

Sounds like the way Scarlet is currently. Seafog sounds heavy though.

I'd be lying if I said I hadn't shared a couple of these vids with the crew for "inspiration". Imagine how far behind the D28 would be! 😄 Here's the thing though, I only have a couple of years sailing under my belt and I have the most keel boat racing experience out of my crew. My crew pool is a couple dinghy sailors, a couple of solid cruisers, and a mix of new sailors. They are all doing great and are an awesome bunch to sail with but we're still building basic competence with things like the kite work, race starts and so on. I want to move up a generation so we're actually in the race

Definitely looks a bit tidier inside than the other 930's I've seen Splat. Photos are always tricky of course!

So I had a look at Scarlet which helped a lot. I can see why she's quick and would be a lot of fun but I think I'd miss the more comfortable space of my D28. She has things like functional headroom through to the head room etc. I think I'm going to list my boat, give it time, and start saving for something a bit more balanced like the S34 and keep looking around.

BTW you are all great and all the boats coming up here are good suggestions to consider, thanks! The main thing will be figuring out what to do with the current boat...

Where does the performance come from? E.g. a Young 88 is only marginally longer than a Davidson 28 and not vastly different in sail area but rates significantly higher in performance. Data lists it at almost half the weight I guess. It doesn't have the waterline length but rates similar to a Stewart 34 in race performance? I see both these boats claiming 20kts downwind at times which is fairly unimaginable to us. I have dug up a much bigger spinnaker for us to cause trouble with now but we haven't seen its upper end yet. Both the Y88 and Stew34 are fairly high on my desirable list. A

I'll answer that myself by having a read of this 32 page thread... lots of info on all the different keels, though maybe not an terribly satisfying conclusion!

Any comment on the different 930 setups and what I should care about in that space? E.g. one of these boats has standard keel and prod, the other an extended keel but no prod?

Yeah blimmin heck those seem like a lot of race for the money.

Short version: Invest more in the Davidson 28, or hold off and plan on an upgrade? Long Version: I bought my first yacht, a Davidson 28, in April 2018 after spending a year or two training and crewing on boats down at Westhaven. Since then I've gone from totally green to... well I can dock without embarrassing myself now! We are based at Hobsonville/WestPark marina. The boat has been great. I've cruised up as far as Whangaroa, sailed with my kids and a lot of friends, and am on my second race season with CCYC and an established pool of crew members. It's safe and reliable and fo

Here are a few pics of the D28 for comparison. Note these are not all on the same day, though it's fairly similar light shifty harbour conditions which we often end up sailing in. I'd be keen to hear any suggestions on trim, anything you'd do differently, and any thoughts on what a more modern sail shape would look like in comparison.

With a lone entry in Baltic 1 so far! Was hoping for a bit more life there as I'm planning to be in it next year. There are a heap of cheap older boats people could get in to to start racing there, have those interested just moved on to bigger things?

For wind range in light air I can usually run it around 80 - 150 degrees apparent, less if I'm not paying pretty close attention to it. Bring tack line in tighter to sail high, ease our a foot or two to sail deep. Keep easing that sheet. It's definitely happiest on the beam but then isn't everything?