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#11 Island Time

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Posted 05 September 2019 - 12:00 PM

The legislation is no retrospective. So as long as it was ok when installed you should be ok....IMO.


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Posted 05 September 2019 - 04:19 PM

The Cat rules state that you must be compliant with the relevant gas code.  AFAIK there is no way you would ever get a gas fitter to sign off the flexible connection to a gimballed stove, so it's all a crock of compliance crud.


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Posted 05 September 2019 - 04:24 PM

The relevant one is the one that was in place when the boat was built. The later ones are not retrospective.


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#14 BOIGuy

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Posted 05 September 2019 - 05:43 PM

The problem is that it is now illegal to "do it yourself" and fixing up an old system suddenly activates the new rules.

 

I went to two gas suppliers and two sellers of gas system components and equipment asking for the labels legally required on gas bottle compartments, none of them new what I was talking about.

 

Unfortunately in realty there is no way near enough gas fitters in the country to ever keep up with making boats compliant, let alone ones that will come work on a boat. Seems that regulators aren't required to consider the practical implications of their new rules.

 

I also recall two very significant blasts in the last year that by shear luck didn't kill anyone, both on recently installed certified systems, go figure.

 

Like a lot of things in this country now, you do your best and hope nothing goes wrong or someone complains about you, its dam near impossible to be compliant at everything and actually have any money left to feed yourself.


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Posted 05 September 2019 - 07:03 PM

Have been going down this track too, compliance for insurance. PIA
My solution was to remove the gas tank from under the sink, remove all the gas hardware from my burnsco 2 element hob, then cut a hole In the top plate and insert the unit that Beccara posted. Works a treat, retained a gimballed element with safety rail and is enough to boil the billy.
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Posted 05 September 2019 - 08:54 PM

We have just been through it. Got gas fitter to replace all the hose with the plastic coated cope piping so boat meets ASNZ5601.2. Also had gas detectors fitted along with the new solenoid controller. 

 

Added drain for the gas locker. Price was not too bad as we did a lot of the prep work our selves and had the gas fitter do the fiddly bits and issue cert.


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#17 gisywaterboy

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Posted 05 September 2019 - 09:04 PM

Try NZ Shipwrights, works out of Gulf Harbour and is registered to do gas.


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Posted 06 September 2019 - 10:38 AM

The Cat rules state that you must be compliant with the relevant gas code.  AFAIK there is no way you would ever get a gas fitter to sign off the flexible connection to a gimballed stove, so it's all a crock of compliance crud.

should not be a problem, from 2.11.2 AS5601.2 (my underlining)

 

In general, other than for hose assemblies between cylinders and regulators, hose assemblies shall be used only between the regulator and rigid piping, and between rigid piping and appliances. Flexible hose shall be one continuous length and as short as practicable for the intended application in order to prevent kinking and damage to the hose. Flexible hose inside a caravan or boat shall be accessible. The connection of hose assemblies to each other is not permitted. 

 

IT is correct when he says the regulations have not made the gas standards retrospective. Gas fitters are required to certify that the work they have performed on a gas installation complies with the current regs and this is where it gets a bit tricky, as they may for example refuse to connect a new hose to a gas califont.

To my knowledge all the new imported boats have their gas systems upgraded to the current standards with a gas fitters certificate as they are being sold  as "new" and hence must comply in full as a "new installation". Used imports will be a different story.


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Posted 06 September 2019 - 05:06 PM

should not be a problem, from 2.11.2 AS5601.2 (my underlining)

 

In general, other than for hose assemblies between cylinders and regulators, hose assemblies shall be used only between the regulator and rigid piping, and between rigid piping and appliances. Flexible hose shall be one continuous length and as short as practicable for the intended application in order to prevent kinking and damage to the hose. Flexible hose inside a caravan or boat shall be accessible. The connection of hose assemblies to each other is not permitted. 

 

Thanks for that, good to know.  What is your opinion if my boat is a 1977 vintage but rebuilt?  I had no questions importing it and insurance has not asked either.  Obviously I won't be shouting from the rooftops but I'm interested to know where I stand,


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#20 marinheiro

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Posted 06 September 2019 - 06:11 PM

Thanks for that, good to know.  What is your opinion if my boat is a 1977 vintage but rebuilt?  I had no questions importing it and insurance has not asked either.  Obviously I won't be shouting from the rooftops but I'm interested to know where I stand,

That's a curly one. I would think that as a minimum the boat should comply with the applicable standard at the time the yacht was imported. I feel it is best to take the same approach as my EWOF inspector inspector takes, is the system from a holistic view point safe, ie are flexible hoses of the appropriate material, gas bottle locker sealed from yacht's internal and ventilated externally, gas sniffer fitted, and does system pass a leak test.


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