southernman 73 Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 Hi, does anyone know anything about these yachts? http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=938832772 Looks nice, just wondering what people think this is really worth? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crew.orgy Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 http://au.yachtworld.com/core/listing/cache/searchResults.jsp?fromYear=2000&Ntk=boatsUK&searchtype=advancedsearch&hmid=0&sm=3&enid=0&toYear=2000&luom=127¤cyid=1002&cit=true&boatsAddedSelected=-1&ftid=0&man=X%20yachts&slim=quick&No=10 Being blue and eventually needing a paint job... $190k. Owners love them. But what owner ewoul hate their own boat? Good boats but the steel frame worries me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Island Time 1,235 Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 Yeah, got a pretty good rep... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Winter 42 Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 Good boats but the steel frame worries me. Why does it worry you? Rust? Is that any worse than rot in a wooden boat? Serious question as i dont know Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Island Time 1,235 Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 They can rust, and repairs can be seriously expensive. Several other manufacturers use steel frames as well, including swan. Don't let it put you off, but like always, get a professional survey. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crew.orgy Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 Ive seen a few issues with Cal 40's after twenty yers. And heard of one X with a delamination from frame. I just hate steel in a boat. Especially buried away in glass. It just a cheap way of spreading loads and reducing hull thickness. I would buy it for $180k and put ten thousand away for any year twenty issues. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crew.orgy Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 Why does it worry you? Rust? Is that any worse than rot in a wooden boat? Serious question as i dont know yeah but you are not buying a wooden boat. You are buying GRP .. with a steel " draw back" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
southernman 73 Posted August 9, 2016 Author Share Posted August 9, 2016 The frame is galvanized and in very good condition. The delam issue is due to the hull shape and is quite common this one has been repaired already. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Island Time 1,235 Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 If it's in good condition, and has good sails, engine etc, I'd start around $180,conditional to survey and sea trial. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crew.orgy Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 The frame is galvanized and in very good condition. The delam issue is due to the hull shape and is quite common this one has been repaired already. Doh!!!... Take it sailing upwind in a breeze and check the windward glass,/ joint and frame arer for movement or microcracking. $170k subject to survey .... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
southernman 73 Posted August 12, 2016 Author Share Posted August 12, 2016 It's done flew through survey, bought it today. After surveying and going over a couple of 1220's settled on this one, high level of maintenance, good engine and has most Cat 1 gear except a Tri Sail. Any ideas how to fit a Tri Sail to a Seldon mast with Harken track and Battcar already fitting, might be a low profile track up one side.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gurge 0 Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 Looks very nice. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Island Time 1,235 Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 Congrats, nice boat ! Rivet ( use Monel 1/4 rivets) a trisail track up one side, as close to centre as possible. Not hard... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
marinheiro 352 Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 The "trick" can be getting the trysail track past the spreader fittings, depending on their size and attachment to the mast. Had this problem on CZ when I converted from leisurefurl to car system. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ratings 0 Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 great yachts am the agent in nz If there is anything you need or want advice on am sure I can help or get advice from the factory give me a call Quote Link to post Share on other sites
southernman 73 Posted August 12, 2016 Author Share Posted August 12, 2016 The Battcar system is awesome makes for an easy raise of the main. Yeah the track should be fine will do a measure up next week and get into this. One more question anyone know where I can buy the gear to put a kit together to put myself up the mast safety using a climbing harness? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
southernman 73 Posted August 12, 2016 Author Share Posted August 12, 2016 Thanks Ratings will be in touch. This boat had a new mast in 2010 before it's trip to NZ from Europe which removed the requirement for running back stays basically a stronger rig makes the boat easier to handle. See you all out there! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ratings 0 Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 They are real good yacht race on LAWLESS TheXp44 sport and she has done a lot on hard miles in her 3years and still in good condition with no warranty work so that speaks highly of the structure of the X-yachts am sure yours is the same Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bazzathemammoth 37 Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 The Battcar system is awesome makes for an easy raise of the main. Yeah the track should be fine will do a measure up next week and get into this. One more question anyone know where I can buy the gear to put a kit together to put myself up the mast safety using a climbing harness? Have a geeze at this site. Sus out an ascender, auto lock descender and harness, with the associated carabiners. Make sure that they will work with your halyard size. Not sure if this is the place to get it, more just giving you an indication of whats there. http://www.gearshop.co.nz/collections/work-rescue-ascenders-descnders/products/petzl-ascension-right-handed ascender http://www.gearshop.co.nz/collections/work-rescue-ascenders-descnders/products/petzl-rig-self-braking-descender descender http://www.gearshop.co.nz/collections/work-carabiners/products/singing-rock-ozone-triple-lock-carabiner singing rock gear is pretty awesome. would reccomend http://www.gearshop.co.nz/collections/work-harnesses/products/petzl-avao-sit-harness-size-1 note that you wil need a harness designed to be sat in for long periods of time. If you get a normal harness then it will cut off circulation to your legs when doing jobs up the mast. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Island Time 1,235 Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 Climbing the mast alone can be done a couple of ways. The expensive way is to go to a climbing shop and by an ascending setup. The cheap way is to use a couple of Prussik loops. I prefer the French Prussik . Use a long loop for your legs and a shorter one for the bosuns chair attachment, then you stand in the big one, lift the chair with the little one, sit in the chair, move the big one up, repeat. This lets you climb a halyard. I find it best if the halyard is reasonably tight. Don't forget a safety line! Probably videos on YouTube search for prussiking ... Total cost - prob free, made from lines you already have Oh, and if your rig is one of the ones where getting the trisail track around the spreaders, this can usually be sorted by cutting the attachment part of the track off for a short distance, and bending the tubular part of the track around the obstacle. Just make sure that this bit does not have to support a sail slug when the trisail is set! I can send you a pic if needed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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