Nzgrant 19 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 I have a removeable inner forestay which has a sail for it. My question is wether or not its worth putting up? So all you experts out there please enlighten me. efficientcy practicality go for it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John B 114 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 So do I. It's for a heavy weather staysail and another gear down when going to storm sail. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Battleship 100 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 What's the boat? Definitely worth it depending on the sail and the wind strength. Depends on how far forward it is. A solent stay is quite close to the forestay and a solent Jib is a very handy sail. We ran a no.1 on a furler and a hanked on solent Gib, made for a very easily handled sail plan. If further back it will be for a stay sail or a storm Jib. Staysails are great for reaching used in conjuction with a larger headsail. The storm Jib pretty self explanatory. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nzgrant 19 Posted May 23, 2018 Author Share Posted May 23, 2018 The boat is a Southern Pacific 42. Appears to have a staysail and maybe a storm jib. Although the storm jib might be from before the furler was put on. From what I have read its not a solent stay as it doesn't go to the top of mast and is around half way between mast and forestay at deck level. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Island Time 1,293 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Inner forestay, set the storm jib on that. Seriously worthwhile, brings the centre of effort back closer to the centre of rotation. All good things! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John B 114 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Does it have running back stays, you can get some nasty rig pumping issues when you set a staysail without them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nzgrant 19 Posted May 23, 2018 Author Share Posted May 23, 2018 All good Sabre Yes we do have running backstays So do you run both headsails ie the furler and the staysail together or is it just for big winds and just run the staysail/storm sail by itself ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Battleship 100 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 You can run them both together, works very well when reaching not so much when going upwind. Can really churn out the miles when you have a reefed main and two headsails up the front. Keeps the boat balanced. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Island Time 1,293 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Now it's been a long time, but iirc the raven has no fore and aft lowers, just single lowers from under the spreaders to the deck. And the spreaders are straight, so there is no fore/aft control of the middle of the rig. The inner stay is not standard. It can be removed, but, especially in heavy weather, if the rig pumps at all in the centre, it should be put back. How high up does it attach to the mast? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Battleship 100 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Sabre you could ask on the Raven owners website. From the looks of the photos the inner forestay isn't needed unless deep reefed and/or for a storm jib. http://www.ravenyachts.com/ravensdownsouth.htm This might help. Rigging. Class rules for rigging on Raven 26 All rigging to be stainless or galvanised wire Side stays: Outer side stay to be attached within 460mm from the top of the mast to outer Ubolt held by chainplate mounted on the front extreme outer side of the main cabin bulkhead. One only inner stay attached to the cross tree height and to inner Ubolt held by chain plate mounted on the front extreme outer side of main cabin bulkhead. inner forestay: At owners option. Not to be used for the hanking on of sails and to be attached no higher than crosstree height. Forestay: To be fasened on standard forestay fitting on the bow and to the top of the mast, adjustment only by standard rigging screw. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Island Time 1,293 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 OK, I'm now down at the marina doing a job, and there is a raven next to me. Are you talking about a baby stay, or a real inner forestay. A baby stay is what this one has, it terminates about 600mm forwards of the mast step. If that's what yours has, it's there to stop the mast inverting, and should not be removed. In fact it should be the tightest stay on the boat. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dtwo 157 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 The other great thing about a staysail is that if you have to deal with it, the sail is in the "middle" of the boat - rather than a genoa which is on the "edge". Also with stronger breeze, it pulls the center of effort back which, in concert with a deeply reefed main or a trysail, makes the boat easier to steer. I love my cutter rig! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Island Time 1,293 Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 Ask a rigger if your in doubt. No way I'd take it off. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chariot 244 Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 Yes sounds like what you refer to as a baby stay. Just had a look at a couple of pics on my phone and it terminates closer to the mast than I realised. From the Raven site that willow posted it sounds like it’s optional but probably a very good idea Had a baby stay on our R26. Never really was a problem, but our forward cabin was all sail storage and assorted junk. The mast does pump in a big breeze. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Priscilla II 450 Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 The boat is a Southern Pacific 42. Appears to have a staysail and maybe a storm jib. Although the storm jib might be from before the furler was put on. From what I have read its not a solent stay as it doesn't go to the top of mast and is around half way between mast and forestay at deck level. Slutter is what you have. A removable inner forestay on a highfield lever. As others have said keep it and use it. Cutter without the primary issues of headsail chafe as the inner forestay can be stowed at the shrouds when not required. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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