Frank 157 Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 I am working through the checklist for Cat 1 and it requires both a storm jib and a heavy weather jib. Our boat has an inner forestay with a staysail on a furler, and the inspector has advised that this does not cover the storm jib requirement only the heavy weather Jib he also recommends that the storm jib should not be a furling sail, therefore I assume it would need to be a free luff sail just attached at the head, and tack . I'm interested to know what others have used in this regard and how it was rigged (particularly Matt of IT if you are online Chrs Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ex Elly 217 Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 3 main types of storm jib for furlers: wrap-around, free-flying, sleeved. https://www.pbo.co.uk/gear/7-storm-jibs-on-test-26029 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CarpeDiem 506 Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 You can get an attachment that loops around the furled sail. Particularly useful if you have a furler, cause what happens is people can reduce sail area over time as the wind increases, finally you're down to a handkerchief in 40knots and it is suddenly impossible to unfurl, drop and hoist a storm jib in its place. I assume if your staysail is on a furler it's removable? In which case you could have a storm jib in it's place with a Dyneema luff cord so you can crank it on tight. But that would depend on if your boat performs with the centre of effort moved aft. Out storm job is luff tape, but we don't partially furl while racing. If we need to change sail area we go bare headed and change down through j1>j2>j3> j4>storm but that would suck cruising... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Panther 1,670 Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 IRL I wonder how many would fuss around with that vs roll out the clew patch on whatever is on the furler? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aardvarkash10 1,055 Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 4 minutes ago, Black Panther said: IRL I wonder how many would fuss around with that vs roll out the clew patch on whatever is on the furler? Which has the advantage of being done from the cockpit Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LBD 160 Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 3 hours ago, CarpeDiem said: "I assume if your staysail is on a furler it's removable? In which case you could have a storm jib in it's place with a Dyneema luff cord so you can crank it on tight. But that would depend on if your boat performs with the center of effort moved aft. " Problem with this scenario is if you find yourself in a wind strength where the jib is too large and you want to downsize to the storm jib... you need to first unfurl the jib fully to drop it. This is why I always consider a hanked on staysail to an inner forestay as the only practical option. 3 hours ago, CarpeDiem said: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Frank 157 Posted January 5, 2023 Author Share Posted January 5, 2023 Thanks for all the helpful responses, I'll have to give this some thought and try and keep any solution simple, with the wrap-around and sleeve types they seem an ingenious solution but I would be worried about chafe over an extended period. The staysail is small and i have noticed it drops like stone when the halyard is released. I will talk my local sailmaker but I think two options 1. Drop the staysail and hoist the storm jib in the vacant luff groove, (be conservative and change early) 2. Furl the Staysail and hoist the storm jib pre-threaded on a spectra "wire luff" using a spare halyard. Either way it Looks Like B and G sails will be getting a bit more of my money soon I would have thought that when we get down to storm jib conditions we will probably be looking to Heave to whereupon Jim Lott advises we are unlikely to want any sail forward of the mast just the main with no 4 reef. This makes me wonder if it is something that might never be used, well that would be a good thing I suppose. It seems the staysail only works in harmony with the Genoa when reaching with the wind fwd of the beam so if we replace it with the storm jib at the start of the passage its pre-rigged. and ready to go. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Panther 1,670 Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Frank said: I would have thought that when we get down to storm jib conditions we will probably be looking to Heave to whereupon Jim Lott advises we are unlikely to want any sail forward of the mast just the main with no 4 reef. This makes me wonder if it is something that might never be used, well that would be a good thing I suppose. Agree with Jim there, true for nearly any modernish single masted boat. But you m8ght want the storm jib for running or reaching in gale force winds. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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