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Personally I'd like to see an overall prize for first on PHRF.

Who won this year?

 

I like the sports/conventional idea and was one of the instigators of that in the SIMRAD but I also find it hard to get my head around for the Coastal because who decides what is a sport style boat and what isn't?

 

 

The owner

 

I'll make sure the powers that be have seen this thread. In the last newsletter they also asked for general constructive feedback... to ccinfo@coastalclassic.co.nz

 

Why not a mass start, Multis and two handed on the outside, everfyone else on the inside. Divisions are scored and get prizes, plus an overall winner.

 

 

How would you resolve it when Mr Farr 1020 decides his boat is a sport boat?

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You have too low an opinion of our owners. Yes there is a possibility for some one to try and swap divisions to gain a piece of silverware, but anyone that stupid can have the silver ware coz at that point it is entirely meaningless IMHO.

On a more positive note, make everyone declare the division they wish to be in 2 weeks before the race, anything aft of the beam and said 1020 will get creamed, 2 weeks is far enough out to be unable to call the weather.

 

But I honestly think all owners simply want good fair racing, and will group themselves accordingly. Anyone who tries to milk the system to get a prize is a dick and we will all know it.

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David, hmmm... I think that you are probably right but those one or two (probably per division) will make life pretty difficult for everyone. It has to be reasonably clear cut to work. Either you are or you aren't eligible for a division.

 

The integrity of results is fairly important too when you have divisional sponsors contributing fairly valuable prizes.

 

(NZ Rat sorry I wasn't been clear I didn't mean sports boats just sporty style keelers - light, prods, etc)

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there will always be issues how do you decide a division you have stewart 34s , demon 10s , townson 32 and 34s , Then also in that group is Light boats ,whether will create the luck of the draw but sports boats should have their own division as they are showing now just how quick they are ,I dont think anyone will ever get the Division parmeters correct as it just is too hard and will allways be unfair on some one .But that is life

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So NZRat if you put 'sports' boats into a different division, how do you decide which boats are sports boats, and who decides? What are the parameters?

 

I think it's a really good idea but they'll only consider it if it's actually workable... so I'm really keen to see what you and others can propose here.

 

Right now it's done purely on PHRF. This obviously has its failings when it comes to 30 foot swing keelers racing against Lion NZ but at least it's clear cut.

 

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The integrity of results is fairly important too when you have divisional sponsors contributing fairly valuable prizes.

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Hmmm I wonder how many competitors are really excited about the value of the prizes? Anyone? My guess is they are a pleasant bonus, but most do the race fo rthe sake of doing the race, if you know what I mean.

 

The way I see it working is you publish rough guidelines for a division (PHRF limits or whatever) then the competitor chooses where they want to sit i.e.- who they want to race against. Plus 6 boats and there's a class prize as well. But everybody starts at 10 am and there is an overall winner.

 

If someone wants to be a dick and manipulate that to gt a pretty prize I'm sure they would hear all about it and probably not try it twice.

Hell the way it is now you can play the system to improve your chances to a huge extent anyway.

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Now that is a hard one.At present we have what i would deem 6 proper SPORTS KEELERS Overload ,Orbit, deep throttle , Karma Police ,tongue twister and Smak They all really have no accomadtion this is termed in most rules as having to accomodate 60% crew they have minimal headroom.and a floppy keel they could be fitted with bullshit accomodation but that would come back to the scruitineer's decission

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I think there are a lot who would like to be in a division in which they have a chance of a line result, at least in one set of conditions.

 

If the keelboat divisions are to change so that more similar boats are in a separate division I don't think the owners should decide but rather I'd suggest that the NZMYC would rely on MarkM to group the divisions in the fairest/best possible way.

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What if the PHRF bands were widened so there were two or three PHRF 'bands' instead of five, but within each of these there was a division for 'sports' keelers and heavier boats.

 

So you raced within your PHRF division but only with boats of a similar type.

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