vic008 17 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Just imagine you bought a diesel that was keel cooled. What mods would be needed to change to salt water or heatexchanger cooled Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wheels 543 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Why would you want to change it?To change, you are going to need a Salt(Raw) water pump and an exhaust mixer. It is possible you will need a larger diameter exhaust to handle the extra water. To marinise the engine, you will need additionally and heat exchanger and you may want to include an exhaust manifold if you want to reduce the exhaust temperature in the engine room.Obviously a hole in the Hull for the water entry, valve and a strainer and throw in all the required hose work and etc Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ex TL systems 63 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 If it works I would think that closed circuit keel cooling would be great with no salt water in the motor. Pumping clean coolant around only. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steve Pope 243 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 If it works I would think that closed circuit keel cooling would be great with no salt water in the motor. Pumping clean coolant around only. + 1 Keel cooling is by far the best solution for any inboard motor. You would need a very good reason to want to change it. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wheels 543 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 There are only 2 negatives using keel cooling. Paint/Antifoul can stop it being effective and if it is a pipe design, the pipe can be a resistance and slow you down Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vic008 17 Posted February 7, 2020 Author Share Posted February 7, 2020 Is a dry exhaust not on?(a few ex lifeboat engines popping up.)Including Bukh 28 hp twin,- never heard of before. How about: what mods if had a turbo on that you didnt need?Remove easy? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steve Pope 243 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Dry exhaust shouldn't be a problem if it is insulated, A dry exhaust can be water jacketed and used for water heating. A turbo can give you better mileage, excellent at constant revs. If removed the injector pump would likely need to be re-calibrated. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wheels 543 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 You would need expert advice removing a Trubo. Some engines have lower compression to compensate for the extra air forced in, some don't. Removing the turbo on low compression engines only causes them to smoke and hard to start. Some it is nothing more than injector pump adjustment. Others may require different injectors to suit the required fuel dose. You will also lose about 50% of the rated power, maybe more. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AlastairW 15 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 Before our time, Wild Bird had a keel cooled system for the engine (60hp Nissan). Had a 500 litre tank of fresh water low in the bilge. The previous owners had issues with the cooling being inadequate to let them develop more than about 40hp. This is a steel boat, so good thermal conductivity. They could get better in Winter when the sea water was a bit cooler. Boat was based North of Auckland. I suppose that a larger keel tank would help there, but say you had a 1000 litre cooling tank - you'd be lugging an additional 1000kg of water around all the time. What we have now - which the previous owner installed - is a dry exhaust, fresh water engine cooling, a Savage heat exchanger with raw sea water supplied via a belt driven pump. Certainly works, and we can maintain cruising revs on the diesel for days at a time, going into adverse weather, with no abnormal temperatures. From my point of view - this being my first boat with a dry exhaust system - there are a few drawbacks. The exhaust runs hotter, not a major issue for us. The exhaust system isn't muffled as effectively as it is with a wet exhaust. Depending on the position of the exhaust through hull and the direction of the breeze, the fumes can get quite unpleasant in the cockpit, not a problem when you are sailing, but you inevitably need to run the donk for a while at some point. Whether you have a system like ours, or a keel cooled system, they are all things which will need to be considered. For us, and it may well just be to do with the exhaust through hull location, the issue with fumes is enough to have us toying with changing over to a wet exhaust. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 642 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 Last big yacht I was on had an old 100hp fordson,sea water cooling ,freshwater heat exchanger and a wet exhaust,very little smell ran efficiently or so it seemed . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steve Pope 243 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 In almost all cases the area of keel used as a heat exchanger is lager than that required for the engine in use, with the thermostat in the header doing most of the work, plus a valve in the line to allow a higher flow of cool water through if / when you venture into warmer waters. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
idlerboat 116 Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 I have had keel cooling for many years. The system has done 1000s 0f NM with no problems. I also have a dry exhaust. Even in the hottest water it has never been a problem. (In fact I have looked at putting in a bypass valve to increase the engine temp.) The benefits are many, one of which is being able to motor in waters that have a lot of "stuff" in them. Being able to use a completely un-marinised engine can save thousands of dollars, which in turn can help pay for the keel cooling. The engine parts are then cheap , off the shelf "normal" engine part costs. I run an Isuzu industrial engine. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest 000 Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 I have had keel cooling for many years. The system has done 1000s 0f NM with no problems. I also have a dry exhaust. Even in the hottest water it has never been a problem. (In fact I have looked at putting in a bypass valve to increase the engine temp.) The benefits are many, one of which is being able to motor in waters that have a lot of "stuff" in them. Being able to use a completely un-marinised engine can save thousands of dollars, which in turn can help pay for the keel cooling. The engine parts are then cheap , off the shelf "normal" engine part costs. I run an Isuzu industrial engine. Darned right! I have my first experience of keel cooling in the canal boat and would be most reluctant to go back to a raw water via heat exchanger system. It's as easy as running your car - check the header tank now and then and that's it. No dripping Jabsco type raw water pump to fret about (make sure you have a spare impeller), no need for a raw water strainer to clean. No need to keep an eye always on the temperature in case some bit of gunk gums up the inlet skin fitting...I realize the european canals are a bit grubby and a different environment to here, but we regularly pass raw water cooled boats stopped on the canal side whilst the owner scrapes the muck out of his strainer over the side. Keel cooling for me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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