Black Panther 1,591 Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 I know someone needs help with a stove, any suggestions? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
marinheiro 352 Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Stainless Fittings ( Fred Andrews) can fix alot of stoves, not limited to just their own Mariner Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Panther 1,591 Posted December 9, 2015 Author Share Posted December 9, 2015 Excellent, thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wheels 543 Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Also Reg from 121 marine over Albany direction. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Panther 1,591 Posted December 9, 2015 Author Share Posted December 9, 2015 Thanks Wheels, that's closer to home. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ScottiE 174 Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 raises an interesting point for me. Am I required to use a gas fitter to re-install the hose from the bottle locker through the bulkhead and to the stove. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John B 106 Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 I think you are just supposed to use those BLOODY DANGEROUS crimp fittings that are mandated by that industry instead of hose clamps. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DrWatson 378 Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Buy a Wallas stove. much nicer... http://www.wallas.fi/index.php?id=58 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Island Time 1,239 Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 You can buy the "correct" crimp fitting in stainless from burnso for a couple of $. Use carpenters pliers to attach them.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest waikiore2 Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Reg now at Lusty and Blundell, and he is good on gas Quote Link to post Share on other sites
marinheiro 352 Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 121 still makes up hoses, just bought a new set there for my boat, they do not typically work on stoves, hence my suggesting the "tricky plumber" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Romany 162 Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 I like the idea of that Wallis system DrW. I have a Mariner Princess and bloody good though it is, a)when I have taken it to be repaired by Marine Stainless I have never felt entirely happy with what I perceive to be unwillingness to provide a fixed cost. So much so that although one of my 'strikers' (makes the ignition spark I guess & maybe I have the wrong word for it) no longer works, I am unwilling to go back because I am worried about the repair cost. LPG is such a pain in the arse. Well - just the storage of it and need for gas lockers etc. I'm thinking electric power is good, (& yes - acknowledged that the hot pies become a feature of your imagination when ya battery is dead! Although that would apply to the gas solenoid too) and the idea of cabin heating capability plus diesel fuelled spins my wheels. What is a stove/hob with cabin heater set up worth - roughly? I followed link to the aussie distributor and they direct you back to wallis... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DrWatson 378 Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Romany, I think I found out +3K EURO for an oven and Hob. So they are pretty pricey, but they are very nice and pretty lightweight compared to all other diesel stoves. Some Canadian prices: http://www.wallas.ca/uploads/2015_85_nordic_series_retail_price_list.pdf OUCH! Some Austrian Prices here: http://www.bukh-bremen.de/files/346/upload/2015/Wallas%20Verkaufspreisliste%202015_web.pdf Can't find any Aussie/NZ prices. Sorry for the thread drift... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wheels 543 Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Reg now at Lusty and Blundell, and he is good on gas Really?? Who's running 121 then?? they do not typically work on stoves, hence my suggesting the "tricky plumber" Really? Why do they not work on stoves? I like the Wallas DrW. Looks very interesting. Pity it didn't run on Diesel. You are right they are pricey though. Mind you, a top of the line Force 10 is getting close to that. Re the rules on Gas....it is my understanding that a flexible hose is only allowed from Gas tank to solid copper line and from other end of copper line to stove. Any long run must be made in Solid Copper Tube. It must also be installed by a registered Gas fitter. You can use flexi hose for a short run (not sure of exact length,) like perhaps 1 to 1.5M. You can self install and anyone competent can make the flexi hose line. But Tank over a certain size(could be wrong on size part) must be fitted outside and ventilated so leaked gas goes over the side. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Panther 1,591 Posted December 10, 2015 Author Share Posted December 10, 2015 A quick look at that Wallis and I couldn't see how it works??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DrWatson 378 Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 A quick look at that Wallis and I couldn't see how it works??? Diesel. Concealed diesel burners heating under the glass plate. fan forced draws a small current load. 20mm diameter exhaust exiting above the waterline. they use relatively little fuel and apparently the ovens are Awesome for baking and cooking. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Panther 1,591 Posted December 10, 2015 Author Share Posted December 10, 2015 Got it, you are right, very interesting. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
marinheiro 352 Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 I am going thru an upgrade of my gas installation and trying to get a clear understanding of the requirements is not easy. Unfortunately I have not as yet been able to get my hands on the standard ie too mean to buy it! The prevailing standard for marine LPG installations is AS/NZS 5601.2 2013 Couple of interesting links here (nothing similar from NZ) http://www.esv.vic.gov.au/Portals/0/Gas%20Professionals/Files/ESV%20-%20ASNZS5601_Road%20show_presentation_2014.pdf and https://www.dnrm.qld.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0010/238636/standards-gas-installations-caravans-boats.pdf My understanding of key points affecting our installations, and welcome to any corrections: 1. Gas Locker must have minimum drain size of 19mm 2. Water heaters (califonts) without external flues are not permitted in accommodation spaces(there goes my Rinnai) 3. Surprisingly, there is no restriction on the length of flexible hoses, just the comment that they should be as short as practicable. 4. Stoves are to have flame failure device My gas guy has also told me that the gas locker should have a 75mm dia ventilation inlet, but I have not been able to find any reference to this so far - want to avoid having to cut this hole if I can. Appreciate any further info other poeple can be provide Wheels - 121 is owned by Mike of Lighthouse Marine, he is there more often now supporting Vince and Shaz who run the shop. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Island Time 1,239 Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 Define accommodation space. My Califont is installed in the aft head... Just as a point of interest, how many of you have a certified LPG system aboard? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
marinheiro 352 Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 I think this answers IT's first question http://www.energysafety.govt.nz/consumer/safety-alerts/portable-showers the head is the worst location of the lot because the heater is consuming oxygen and emitting CO in a very small space. Interior califonts were banned in USA and Europe a long time ago Re second question, I would suggest very very few. Prior to my next insurance renewal with Vero, due to my yacht's age I have to submit a condition report. One of the questions is "LPG - Installation to NZ Standards" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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