PaulR 3 Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 So from PaulR's post in the other threadAre the Youth and Newer boats of today better than the older experienced sailors with olders boats of former years e.g. SIMRAD Skipper + Crew + (4 x boat years) = age factor (%) then from results Corrected Time x Age Factor = Aged Results. Charlatan would rate 35+42+(4x30) = 197 Is that good? Looks good so far!! Good luck Link to post Share on other sites
PaulR 3 Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 I reckon it should be (Boat age x 4) - skipper - crew = age correction factor. Older boats are generally slower / lower tech, but older sailors are more experinced / have more cunning and tricks. The age correction factor should favour old boats with young crew. So a super duper modern boat with seasoned old sea dogs racing it should thump an old kauri log raced by young guy's with no idea... OR THEORY II The reverse will apply sometimes in the Southern Hemisphere. Corellis (?) effect; rum swirls the opposite way in the glass below the equator. Link to post Share on other sites
PaulR 3 Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 I think your fishing now fish, so is Charlatan 25 or 30 and if so are we talking launch date or design date and while were at it anyone over 60 should get double points for just being out there doing it. I have thought about "design" dates but obtaining the truth, the whole truth and the exact second, adjusting to the longitude of the launching position, converting all to UTC etc just seems a bit too much at this stage. It would eliminate R930's for some that have been floating for years are still within the design stage . . . . . knot thinking of any reptilian associated vessels in particular Link to post Share on other sites
PaulR 3 Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 So from PaulR's post in the other threadAre the Youth and Newer boats of today better than the older experienced sailors with olders boats of former years e.g. SIMRAD Skipper + Crew + (4 x boat years) = age factor (%) then from results Corrected Time x Age Factor = Aged Results. Charlatan would rate 35+42+(4x30) = 197 Is that good? New Rule: I think we should have first names The others as above have set the style. New Rule: I believe entries (by posting as above) should have a closing time of 0900 Saturday. Link to post Share on other sites
Fish 0 Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 I think your fishing now fish, so is Charlatan 25 or 30 and if so are we talking launch date or design date and while were at it anyone over 60 should get double points for just being out there doing it. I have thought about "design" dates but obtaining the truth, the whole truth and the exact second, adjusting to the longitude of the launching position, converting all to UTC etc just seems a bit too much at this stage. It would eliminate R930's for some that have been floating for years are still within the design stage . . . . . knot thinking of any reptilian associated vessels in particular Yeah we better go with launch date. If we went with design date Charlatan would be early 70's, being a Rhubarb and all. That would match Willow, but the Stewart 34's would win hands down. Didn't bob Stewart draw them in the ealry 1920's, or was that 1850's? I get mixed up, sure are a successful class for something that was around when Jim Cook was working on the first charts of NZ.... Anyone know when Rhubarb was launched? Link to post Share on other sites
PaulR 3 Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 How about htis then squid, Start with 100 subtract boat age x 3 add skipper and crew combined age then decimalise it, i.e. divided by 100 to give the ACF (age correction factor), then multiply that by corrected time. So, for Charlatan 100-(3x25)+42+35 = 102 102/100 = 1.02 ACF For a scratch boat (ACF = 1.00) the boat age should roughly cancel out the crew age I reckon, so boat age x3 This way either old boats or young crew will be outliers, while middle aged boats with middle aged crew will be about average. What do you reckon? I will look at this if I need to, once "entries" are in. I may also need to do a distance adjustment for the different courses OR twist Squids arm and get 2 more bottles as there are basically 3 courses. But at this initial stage I would prefer to see what entries come in, what the results are before going to extra complicated adjustments. KISS principle. Is that OK with all? P.S. Stewart 34s have a design age of 51 or 52 years. Need to look up when Patiki was launched. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 Open Country Launched 1989 = 21 yrs Scurvy Captain = 55 Scurvy Crew = 52 Sounds like an evil plan! Link to post Share on other sites
PaulR 3 Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 Charlatan 25 years (1985 launch) - can I claim 30 years, the build started in 1980..... Fish 35 years Neil 42 years So which way does the handicap go, best is oldest boat and youngest crew? No. Splash is "Splash". Link to post Share on other sites
PaulR 3 Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 I think your fishing now fish, so is Charlatan 25 or 30 and if so are we talking launch date or design date and while were at it anyone over 60 should get double points for just being out there doing it. Jon gets bonus points for attention to detail, ok Charlatan was launched 25 years ago, but if Tioga Iti was born in 1986 that would make her 24 not 26 Yes spreadsheet formula is using 24 years. Link to post Share on other sites
Absolution 7 Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 Fineline launched 1987 Hamish - 35 Matt - 35 Link to post Share on other sites
Murky 1 Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 P.S. Stewart 34s have a design age of 51 or 52 years. Need to look up when Patiki was launched. "...the original Patiki, designed by Bob Stewart for Peter Colmore-Williams and built by John Lidgard in 1960" - Century of Sail, p76 Good concept PaulR Link to post Share on other sites
PaulR 3 Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 Have entered ages into spreadsheet, added in SIMRAD Div's, YNZ PHRF details. OLD FARTS FACTORS to date: 1.330 Mercenary 1.117 Fineline 1.083 Tiaoga Iti 1.052 Mr Roosevelt 1.022 Charlatan 0.962 Danaide 0.947 Open Country 0.712 Panacea So OLDER crews get better handicaps = as desired Older boats get lower handicaps = as desired Newest boat is 1991 Danaide but Paddy's age lowered handicap = as desired but age needs checking as per "?" in above post. I looked at Fish's suggestions. #1 = created some negative figures so not really useful or formulae needs revision. #2 = gave older boats worst handicaps, especially if crewed by youth. Perhaps the formulae should be - Skipper's age - crew's age. I don't know if I can post the spreadsheet here but previous software would knot allow it. PM me your email and I will send you a copy. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 Paul - pich up a Mount Gay from North's - definitely earned it. Link to post Share on other sites
PaulR 3 Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 Old Farts Factors Rum Spreadsheet to date Link to post Share on other sites
PaulR 3 Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 Paul - pich up a Mount Gay from North's - definitely earned it. THANKS Squid Hey the spreadsheet uploading worked Link to post Share on other sites
Jon 360 Posted September 15, 2010 Share Posted September 15, 2010 Danaide 19 years ( 1991 Launched) Jon; 49 Paddy; 63 (I think) The only reason for the (I think) is he maybe older just he has a policy of not counting birthdays if your in the open ocean, said that they don't count and I have been with him on 3 such occasions. But he was 60 at the last RNI I think Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted September 15, 2010 Share Posted September 15, 2010 I like that, I'm just turned 40 Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted September 15, 2010 Share Posted September 15, 2010 The skin shedding Reptile. Splash happened Xmas 83 The Silver top - 47 (maybe 39-40 working on the Paddy timeline ) The Polished top - 46 The Mt Gay - less than a year old and less than 4 days to live I was at Rubarbs launching and was only a nipper. My longest standing memory of a pile of very pissed dudes. I remember one of them falling over and taking a pile of others with him like a set of domino's they were all that pissed. The old man was maggoted big time. Shite loads of Gin if memory serves me right. Guessing early 70's???? Link to post Share on other sites
Jon 360 Posted September 15, 2010 Share Posted September 15, 2010 On second thoughts maybe we should bring Paddy's boat Hot Shot Farr 1104 Launched 1976 Paddy and Jon as above OFF = 0.739 Link to post Share on other sites
MrWolf 0 Posted September 15, 2010 Share Posted September 15, 2010 The skin shedding Reptile. Splash happened Xmas 83 The Silver top - 47 (maybe 39-40 working on the Paddy timeline ) The Polished top - 46 The Mt Gay - less than a year old and less than 4 days to live I was at Rubarbs launching and was only a nipper. My longest standing memory of a pile of very pissed dudes. I remember one of them falling over and taking a pile of others with him like a set of domino's they were all that pissed. The old man was maggoted big time. Shite loads of Gin if memory serves me right. Guessing early 70's???? Yep rhubarb was launched about 1973-74, we got saracen around then, sailed her for a season and did ok. Then rhubarb came along, thrashed everyone in our division. Link to post Share on other sites
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