funlovincriminal 175 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 As description Need thick wall carbon mast/prod section parallel. 2-3 metres would be good! Cheers 022 044 9171 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ex Elly 217 Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 A carbon fibre spinnaker pole is legal on a Farr 1020! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ex Machina 381 Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 Go on …be the first 1020 with a prod ! sorry I don’t have a piece of section though 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bad Kitty 281 Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 On 20/10/2021 at 1:04 PM, funlovincriminal said: As description Need thick wall carbon mast/prod section parallel. 2-3 metres would be good! Cheers 022 044 9171 Kilwell in Rotorua? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ladyhawk 37 Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 I got almost exactly this from C-Tech... half a boat dollar or thereabouts https://www.c-tech.co.nz/home 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
funlovincriminal 175 Posted October 21, 2021 Author Share Posted October 21, 2021 21 hours ago, 44forty said: Go on …be the first 1020 with a prod ! sorry I don’t have a piece of section though Why would I want a prod on a 1020? Gennakers are just so hard to deal with on a family cruiser, there's all that pole carrying and clipping/unclipping, uphauls, downhauls, tweakers, wine glasses, death rolls and Chinese gybes.... oh wait... that's Spinnakers 😅 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
funlovincriminal 175 Posted October 21, 2021 Author Share Posted October 21, 2021 20 hours ago, Bad Kitty said: Kilwell in Rotorua? Yeah got my last one from there. Just checking to see if a crew.orger had something kicking about Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DoT 31 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 I've got one close to your requirements. 83mm OD and 3.5 wall thickness as best I can measure. 3m long. Came from Kilwell some years ago, but didn't get used for the project I had on the go then, and is a bit short and a bit beefy for a 1020 pole. And yes, carbon poles are allowed on a 1020 - or at least I think that was the committee decision about 10 years back. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
funlovincriminal 175 Posted October 22, 2021 Author Share Posted October 22, 2021 It's for a deck mounted prod, so I could build it up where it slips through the ring. Most likely unstayed so 3.5mm may be a bit on the thin side? Can't recall the thickness of the one on my 930 but it was pretty beefy. What kind of length is it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DoT 31 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 3m long Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cameron 93 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 4 hours ago, DoT said: I've got one close to your requirements. 83mm OD and 3.5 wall thickness as best I can measure. 3m long. Came from Kilwell some years ago, but didn't get used for the project I had on the go then, and is a bit short and a bit beefy for a 1020 pole. And yes, carbon poles are allowed on a 1020 - or at least I think that was the committee decision about 10 years back. Actually was never a committee decision... The rules don't seem to specify a material. So a few have gone and got carbon kite poles. Interestingly there is no specified material for mainsails either.... just a minimum cloth weight. So you could build a carbon or kevlar mainsail... but it would be no lighter and very expensive! As the likes of 3Di / 3DL / Stratus cloth weight varies in different parts of the sail I don't think you could make a mainsail this way under the current class rules. Hence the current rules result in Dacron mainsails which to be fair are probably a great option. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DoT 31 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Perhaps not a committee decision, but I remember it being discussed at a committee meeting and generally accepted that it wasn't prohibited. Cameron, do you happen to know how much lighter a carbon pole would be than alloy? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cameron 93 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Can't really give a weight as there are big differences even between alloy poles depending on wall thickness and end fittings used. Weight difference for a carbon pole would be reasonably significant from a handling point of view. FLC... wouldn't a deck mounted pole be a PITA? Hard to access anchor locker, trip hazard etc... ??? Wouldn't it be better to make something more like the attached image but somehow make the splash/bow wrap attach to the toerail? I reckon if you made a nice product (which judging on your other work wouldn't be a problem) it would be quite saleable! Key requirements to me would be... * Easily removable * Can use anchor while attached * minimal work to fit (creating an attachment for the bobstay is easy enough.) Next question would be how long? 1020's get a fair amount of weather helm... so a long prod and moving area forward could help. Would you also want to set up another tackline at say half way out the prob for a zero? Are there any existing classes where their gennakers would fit giving a cheap used sail supply option? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
funlovincriminal 175 Posted October 23, 2021 Author Share Posted October 23, 2021 Really aiming for simplicity and least modifications to a class boat possible. Had a deck mounted one on the 930 and had to remove anchor locker lid to use it whilst cruising but the 1020 split lid makes it a lot more practical. Prod will be removable with a single thumb turn screw at the back then just slips backwards out of the stem ring. While viat out of the water I'm adding a Bob stay tube to the knuckle but a heavy enough section prod can survive without one. (We had 19.7kts in 35kts on the 930 and ran a zero pretty tight with no breakages). However the 1020 is a fair bit heavier! I've already modified the stem head fitting to take prod and keep anchor off stem. Whilst anchor locker out and new bulkhead being made I'll engineer a bit of compression resistance into the rear end. This really is just a cruiser setup! Hate poles and rolls with kids and wives. 1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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