DrWatson 375 Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 Don't know if this has been discussed here, but the video makes Ainsle look ungentlemanly but perhaps that's just an old fashioned notion? He not only forces the penalty but stands on until the point where collsion is unavoidable. He could have got the penalty by tacking away, no? Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 looks like he could have avoided the collision by simply straightening up. Would still have got the penalty? Guess it wasn't his boat. Link to post Share on other sites
col j 0 Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 had rights, should have kept clear i think. personally i think he is a bit too cocky. it was him who jumped off his boat, onto a camera boat and threw a wobbly at the driver. Link to post Share on other sites
DrWatson 375 Posted August 7, 2012 Author Share Posted August 7, 2012 That's what I felt. he had rights and should stand on to allow the other boat to avoid, and if he takes evasive action then he has to evade and not seek to collide. Not prudent seamanship and he intentionally endangered vessel and crew. but it's match racing... apparently Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 Looks like a bit of a dick move to me I guess he does whatever it takes to win. If he can live with himself then good on him. Wonder if he will pull that move in an AC 45? It would be funny if he did and then cartwheeled into the other boat Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 That's just match racing, You are allowed to set up an incident by bearing away up to 90 degrees from TWA, this helps by giving you room to come up and sail over him if he lee bow's you. Richard started luffing the moment Ainslie altered course to avoid the collision, Richard caused the collision, Richard got penalised. Ainslie did a great match race move. He is a legend. Link to post Share on other sites
DrWatson 375 Posted August 7, 2012 Author Share Posted August 7, 2012 But ainslie didn't alter course to avoid a collision, to do that he should go to stb... He went looking for the collision, but IMHO carried it too far to the point of collision. Infact I would counter that Richard moved first, and then Ainslie, worried he wouldn't get the penalty headed for the collision and gave Richard nowhere to go. Rishard couldn't tack away and anymore bearing down would still have left him broadside. Poor form and poor seamanship. Link to post Share on other sites
Clipper 343 Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 Poor form and poor seamanship. It's match racing Seamanship doesn't come into it, it's match racing Go Ainslie Link to post Share on other sites
ab1974 1 Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 This is match racing. All about tactics. Richard should have tacked or borne away more aggresively. Seamanship is at the bottom of the list.... Link to post Share on other sites
DrWatson 375 Posted August 7, 2012 Author Share Posted August 7, 2012 Poor form and poor seamanship. It's match racing Seamanship doesn't come into it, it's match racing Go Ainslie SO can you use cannons...? Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 Makes cruising look pretty sensible doesn't it? Link to post Share on other sites
DrWatson 375 Posted August 7, 2012 Author Share Posted August 7, 2012 I think I'd rather take on the Horn the wrong way in a Hartley 16 than meet a prick like that on the race course... Link to post Share on other sites
Battleship 100 Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 It's not tidily winks, these guys sail for a living, the rules in match racing are quite different to the normal RRS that we use on a Sunday. Link to post Share on other sites
Fogg 427 Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 This is match racing. All about tactics. Richard should have tacked or borne away more aggresively. Seamanship is at the bottom of the list.... Agree. It's fun to watch and also fun to do in model yachts (no expenseive damage). But wouldn't have the nerve to do it in a big boat. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 WTF has rude got to do with anything? Was it legal, Yes or No?. If No boot his arse out. If Yes what's the problem?? Link to post Share on other sites
B00B00 310 Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 That looked like a pretty standard and legit move from Ainslie to me. Been done thousands of times, he certainly pushed it hard but was within his rights. I have been in the exact same situation from both ends plenty of times. He held his course within 2 boat lengths as he is required to do. He didn’t cause the crash, Richard did when he put the bow up again into Ainslies transom. I would say that when Richard knew that he had been out manovered and was going to get a penalty he decided his best chance was to- A- Put the bow up to minimise loss and have a chance to get his penalty back on Ainslie with his STB rights on the next cross. B- Go for the crash and hope they deemed that Ainslie had not given him room to keep clear. At that level of match racing the starboard boat will go for that move most of the time if its a close cross. The umpires rules Richard was at fault, not Ainslie so I think it’s unfair that you guys are bagging him. He is a master and racing our sport at the highest level. Link to post Share on other sites
DrWatson 375 Posted August 7, 2012 Author Share Posted August 7, 2012 That looked like a pretty standard and legit move from Ainslie to me. Been done thousands of times, he certainly pushed it hard but was within his rights. I have been in the exact same situation from both ends plenty of times. He held his course within 2 boat lengths as he is required to do. He didn’t cause the crash, Richard did when he put the bow up again into Ainslies transom. I would say that when Richard knew that he had been out manovered and was going to get a penalty he decided his best chance was to- A- Put the bow up to minimise loss and have a chance to get his penalty back on Ainslie with his STB rights on the next cross. B- Go for the crash and hope they deemed that Ainslie had not given him room to keep clear. At that level of match racing the starboard boat will go for that move most of the time if its a close cross. The umpires rules Richard was at fault, not Ainslie so I think it’s unfair that you guys are bagging him. He is a master and racing our sport at the highest level. Fair 'nuf. I still thought you were supposed to turn to stb to avoid a collision... Link to post Share on other sites
B00B00 310 Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 International Collision regs and match racing rules are just so very very different.... Link to post Share on other sites
Fogg 427 Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 The umpires rules Richard was at fault, not Ainslie so I think it’s unfair that you guys are bagging him. He is a master and racing our sport at the highest level. I'm not bagging him. I think he's great too. But then he's British and so I am, so I'm proudly biaised! Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 Oh man. The one morning this week that I decide to take a sleep in this week and I miss out on one of the best conversations. Booboo has summed it up perfectly and Ainsle had all of the rights and did everything perfectly Link to post Share on other sites
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