Guest Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 Larry was aiming for a 50% design 50% sailor combo with these boats What he got was an 80% design and 20% sailor combo. That is not so good for the yacht racing but good for innovation If ETNZ won. The design to sail ratio will be much better I think I hope the dont go back to monos Link to post Share on other sites
madyottie 82 Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 How about an unrestricted 40 footer? Lead up regattas around the globe then a LV final mixed format series, maybe 10 fleet races, top four to semis, etc. Winner gets to challenge for the AC. Same basic idea as a vx40... can be put into a container and shipped anywhere. Imagine a 40' skiff, 5 crew on wires, full foiling downhill to the finish in 20 knots. Being chased by a cat that they stuffed on the startline. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 I like that idea. But that would promote even more design and even less sailing Need a decent box rule I would like to think 60ft foiling cats with soft sails is the way foward Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 What are you smoking R780. Anything less than these machines is like going back and driving ford escorts against the top rally cars of today. Also you will NEVER NEVER have good match racing in multi hulls. And as such the close racing excitement is lost. Time for some kind of box rule that keeps racing tight, but allows some ideas to flourish and brings back some sailors with a personality and a mouth that has something interesting to say! I know... how about a 12 metre class. Link to post Share on other sites
Clipper 345 Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Also you will NEVER NEVER have good match racing in multi hulls. Pretty absolute statement there. I disagree with you, but let's assume you are right for a second - who cares? The AC always has been, and always will be about the fastest design/best boat. Match racing is a lucky side effect sometimes. Not to mention, actually pretty dull. Even watching 'close' IACC racing puts me to sleep. Far more lead changes in the ac45s than the lead draggers. And the starts. f*ck me. Dial up and park for 2 mins, then split tacks. WOW, exciting. Not. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 It has not ALWAYS been about the fastest or NZ would have won with the last defense and that red twin keel thing. The best team wins. The Aussies lost three and won four straight to take it of the Americans. And while their boat was probably faster Conner was nearly a winner with a dog. Tight match racing may be a result of the rules rather than design or sailing. But I would rather watch a slow tactical one second win than a fast one leg dorking. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 How about windsurfers? Or maybe kitesurfers? Nah...windsurfers it is. Sweet. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Seriously though. Big ole classic lined J-Class type yachts with old school timber decking and cabin tops and the rest as much carbon and canting keels as you like with about 20 crew running around on 'em thundering around the Hauraki Gulf Islands sounds good to me. If you don't like watching that on TV watch another sport sport. Link to post Share on other sites
Clive 13 Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Seriously though. Big ole classic lined J-Class type yachts with old school timber decking and cabin tops and the rest as much carbon and canting keels as you like with about 20 crew running around on 'em thundering around the Hauraki Gulf Islands sounds good to me. If you don't like watching that on TV watch another sport sport. They had that last year in the Solent and other places. The big J's had a bit of a get together. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 What are you smoking R780. Anything less than these machines is like going back and driving ford escorts against the top rally cars of today. Also you will NEVER NEVER have good match racing in multi hulls. And as such the close racing excitement is lost. Time for some kind of box rule that keeps racing tight, but allows some ideas to flourish and brings back some sailors with a personality and a mouth that has something interesting to say! I know... how about a 12 metre class. Everybody has their opinions. I like the big cats. Link to post Share on other sites
Deep Purple 512 Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 http://www.google.co.nz/search?q=volvo+70's+racing+in+auckland click on images That racing created great interest and a fun waterfront. Something like Volvo 70's, box rule, gennakers only, no canters, one rudder, one boat per team, no pairing, limited crew Link to post Share on other sites
SloopJohnB 322 Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Seriously though. Big ole classic lined J-Class type yachts with old school timber decking and cabin tops and the rest as much carbon and canting keels as you like with about 20 crew running around on 'em thundering around the Hauraki Gulf Islands sounds good to me. If you don't like watching that on TV watch another sport sport. They had that last year in the Solent and other places. The big J's had a bit of a get together. Like 5 raced here. Velsheda, Hanuman, Ranger, Lionheart and Rainbow http://www.jclassyachts.com/events/st-b ... et-regatta Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 It's still on http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-spor ... as-planned Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 If you have problems to view this message click here. Photo bank: photo.americascup.com America’s Cup remains on track; Experts named to Review Committee San Francisco, 05/14/2013 © © ACEA / Photo Guilain GRENIER Download © © ACEA / Photo Guilain GRENIER Download America’s Cup organizers have confirmed that this summer’s events remain on track. In parallel with completing the final arrangements for the America’s Cup, a highly experienced panel of sailing and safety at sea experts has been appointed and charged with reviewing the training and racing of AC72 yachts in the 2013 America’s Cup. The Review Committee will make its recommendations following the loss of Artemis Racing crew member Andrew ‘Bart’ Simpson (GBR) in a training accident on San Francisco Bay on Thursday of last week. Members of the Committee – download bios here – have strong backgrounds in the sport at its highest levels as well as involvement in other reviews where an incident at sea has claimed the life of a competitor. Iain Murray, the Regatta Director, will chair and lead the Review Committee comprised of: • Iain Murray (AUS, Chair) • Sally Lindsay Honey (USA, Deputy Chair) • John Craig (USA) • Chuck Hawley (USA) • Vincent Lauriot-Prévost (FRA) • Jim Farmer QC (NZL) The U.S. Coast Guard supports this approach and will assist as appropriate. Lt. Jon Lane, with 26 years in the Coast Guard and 10 years experience as a marine casualty investigator will serve as liaison. Tom Ehman, the Vice Commodore of the Golden Gate Yacht Club (the America’s Cup Trustee), said, “The America’s Cup will go ahead this summer. We will see the world’s best sailors racing at the highest level on one of the most iconic race tracks in sport.” With regard to the Review, Ehman added: “The Committee brings immense experience and expertise to this Review. At a meeting in San Francisco this morning, the teams expressed unanimous support for this Committee and this process.” The Review Committee will report as soon as possible, given that racing starts in seven weeks. Download the Review Committee document here Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 Seriously though. Big ole classic lined J-Class type yachts with old school timber decking and cabin tops and the rest as much carbon and canting keels as you like with about 20 crew running around on 'em thundering around the Hauraki Gulf Islands sounds good to me. If you don't like watching that on TV watch another sport sport. They had that last year in the Solent and other places. The big J's had a bit of a get together. Like 5 raced here. Velsheda, Hanuman, Ranger, Lionheart and Rainbow http://www.jclassyachts.com/events/st-b ... et-regatta There is no doubt in my mind that the best match racing (that is the testing of sailing skills and minds) is in lead mines - take the Bermuda IOD Worlds as an example. Unfortunately such events are NOT a test of naval architecture and technology, and are a pretty boring spectacle for other than the participants. Even restoring the AC to the J Class would not spark widespread public interest, let alone TV revenue. On the other hand, it would attract a coterie of wealthy owners which would restore the AC to it's original form and that might well spark widespread interest among the world wide sailing fraternity. All this points to the fact that the AC has been high-jacked by malign influences. Big business, Big Media, Big sports promotors, Sailmakers, designers, and other marine professionals, and big ego owners have all played a part in contaminating this once great sporting event. The question is - Have they fucked it for all time. Link to post Share on other sites
Clipper 345 Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 The question is - Have they fucked it for all time. Nope. If Sir Michael Fay and Dennis Connor in '88 did not f*ck it for all time, and ernesto and Ellison in '10 didn't f*ck it for all time, unlikely this cup cycle will f*ck it for all time. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 The problem for little ole NZ I suppose is that we're a bit skinny on the billionaires and need a sponsorship vehicle to fund our challenges. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 The question is - Have they fucked it for all time. Nope but as it's been 7 odd years since the last AC race they run the risk if this one doesn't produce some good shite more people will turn off. I'm talking yacht knowledgeable people. The Ma and Pa Heartland Waikato mob who's boating knowledge only extends as far as what is the best camo pattern for a duck punt will watch if it's marketed right. The sort of boat they use in the event is way way less irrelevant than who is picked as the commentator. Yes I excluded to 75% non-event and 100% race free event that was the 2010 shambles. A nice engineering parade but a joke if attached to the term 'yacht race'. One saving grace is the current batch of the AC Club are old and starting to look tired so maybe they will retire with some grace and let fresh blood take over. Looking back and the last time a large injection of fresh blood came into the AC the event was arguable the best event in the last few decades, that being Fremantle. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 The problem for little ole NZ I suppose is that we're a bit skinny on the billionaires and need a sponsorship vehicle to fund our challenges. I like that we ain't got no $$ We have fewer people but they are all highly skilled The others have a lot more people but not as good quality More then one way to skin a cat Link to post Share on other sites
bushman 12 Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 How about large racing scows we have had the rest..... these are middle ground for all Link to post Share on other sites
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