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and   Henrik and Stratosphere Damage under the waterline The Hull, our Cabin together with Reib...after... The Cockpit When we left the island, Airport My new dress Arite and Map

Hi I just Found this discussion about finding the catamaran Stratosphere. I was member of the Crew on the journey from Panama , headed for the Philipines, and we ship wrecked at Christmas Island i

^ thanks Phil   found those, bit forlorn she looked   and as pics are better than words here again is the mag shot GregW posted on boatdesign   you can see where all the various half tubes went

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C1 was David Barker's Sundancer, C2 Stratosphere for Gordon Miller and C3 was his well known Sundreamer. Stratosphere was 64 feet overall, had plumb and very rounded bows (which threw clouds of spray) and was heavier than the slightly more higher tech constructed, sharper bowed, 57 foot Sundreamer, so they weren't sister ships - but were obviously Barker designed and of similar appearance.

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Spoke to the guy for an hour this morning. He says she is in good shape bar a couple of holes. He intends to bring her back to NZ and rebuild her in Whangarei. This is such awesome news. I know david has been looking for her on google earth without success. The guys says that due to trees and colouring you can't see her but she is on christmas island. they are looking at ways to bring her back

 

And coxy, they ARE sisterhips, they came out of the same mould, same designer, same construction, same rig. The differences David made with sundreamer were minor and mainly weightsaving. The bows were angled back a little to avoid the waterspout, as a result and in fact Sundreamer's waterline entrance is blunter. The hulls were angled in to reduce the length of the beams and the sterns shortened by 3 feet. Stratosphere is thus 60'. But what would I know, I've only owned her for 11 years, spent hours with David and poured over the construction diaries of all three boats for hours

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The guys says that due to trees and colouring you can't see her but she is on christmas island. they are looking at ways to bring her back

 

make her watertight - tow her to S'pore and the put her on the deck of a ship bound for NZ? MAF would go balistic surely?

 

And coxy, they ARE sisterhips, they came out of the same mould, same designer, same construction, same rig. The differences David made with sundreamer were minor and mainly weightsaving. The bows were angled back a little to avoid the waterspout, as a result and in fact Sundreamer's waterline entrance is blunter. The hulls were angled in to reduce the length of the beams and the sterns shortened by 3 feet. Stratosphere is thus 60'. But what would I know, I've only owned her for 11 years, spent hours with David and poured over the construction diaries of all three boats for hours

 

Agreed S'dreamer. Here's another example of a pair of Sisters. They look like sisters - everyone know they're sisters and yet one has much pointier bows than the other - or perhaps the other has fuller bows than the first!

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years later a spa pool manufacturer from napier built another one out of the same mould but never paid david a cent. it has been seen chartering in the caribean but is grossly overweight as the guy never approached david for the layup.

 

 

Ahhh - that explains the one i used to ogle as a kid sitting outside the Napier Sailing Club on a swing mouring back in the '80's. Never did see it sail.

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Yes sundreamer, they did come from the same quarter mould but if you can call a 18.7 metre C2 Stratosphere a sister to 17.5 m C3 Sundreamer, then well, you can call them sisters I guess, but not IMO. Agreed my midnight typing of 64 foot length Stratosphere was incorrect by a couple of feet, also the very rounded bows (because of the clever, but compromising quarter mould restrictions) were not plumb. I knew David Barker well in those days, wrote articles about his boats, helped launch and tune Dreamer, (the Ron Given designed mast semi-rotation was always suspect) raced it for the first time (the also brand new Given designed Split Enz beat us by a neck) and many times after (winning the first reintroduced Auckland/Tauranga on second race) periodically dived cleaning the bloody great long hulls before races etc. ... but what would I know, eh mate? Here be quote:

"Sundreamer came from the same modular mould as Stratosphere, this time used 14 times over. The hulls were shortened by fitting a plate in the mould 1.4 m in from the transom and a further 100mm cut off the bow. Height of the hulls was reduced 800mm by lowering the top edge of the mould 400mm. Whereas C2's hulls were vertical, C3's, like Sundancer's, are canted in for aesthetics and to shorten the length of the connecting beams without reducing stability."

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