thefreerangekiwi 0 Posted February 19, 2019 Author Share Posted February 19, 2019 SR 26 is pretty roomy inside. Little Tardis sone of them. Good cockpit for a boom tent too. Whiting 29’s are nice boats What's the headroom? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Frank 185 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Those you've mentioned are all good boats. Also worth thinking about a farr 9.2 or a y88. All have been for sale in the price range you mention - probably a case of looking at and maybe trying to organise a sail on a few and see what you think. Personally I'd look for the tidyiest one that's had the most love you can find as it's easy to buy a "project" and blow the budget! What he said, find the one that's had the most TLC through its life, they are not as common as you might think though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Frank 185 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 At this stage, it would either kept at Pine Harbour or Shelly Park and both have issues with access at low tide. Shallow draft isn't critical but it would certainly add flexibility to when I could go in and out. I knew there were some twin keel versions made of the Lotus 9.2 and I had heard there was also a centreboard version but have never come across either for sale. I have also seen a shoal draft fin keel version but from what I understand most have the normal fin keel. The Whiting 29 has two versions, a shallow draft masthead rig cruising version and a deeper draft version with a fractional rig although I have come across hybrid versions. From what I have found out so far the Young 88 has a fin keel version and it looks like some have modified fins so the draft varies and there's also a swing keel version. They all seem to have reasonable headroom from what I can gather. Another feature I would like is an open or walk through transom, possibly with a sugar scoop but it's not an absolute must have. I have seen a couple of Lotus 9.2's modified like this but it would be a bit of an undertaking to do. Some of the Whiting 29's were fitted with a sugar scoop option and a couple have been modified to walk through. Still a little bit of work but not nearly as much as the Lotus 9.2. The Young 88 already has an open transom and as I enjoy sailing I am attracted to its sailing performance. So, for an all-weather yacht single-handed cruising around NZ for extended periods with the possibility of having one or two inexperienced crew aboard sometimes which of these would be your preference and why? I have a Carpenter 29 at Shelly Park, Draft is 1.6 metres access is 2 hours either side of low tide, no change in 28 years. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Young Entertainer 62 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Pine harbour is okay up to about 1.8m, young 88 would fit on one of the 9m berths there so cheaper to keep Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chariot 244 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 I have a 9.2 at Pine Harbour and don't have many issues with tide. Just be mindful on big tides. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thefreerangekiwi 0 Posted February 19, 2019 Author Share Posted February 19, 2019 That's interesting about Pine Harbour as I was going up the channel in a launch back in November that draws 1m and bumped the bottom hard enough that we had to power on to push through. It wasn't dead low and we were definitely within the poles and certainly not close towards the side of the marked channel. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Young Entertainer 62 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 If you hit something in the middle of the channel in something that draws 1m it wasn't the bottom. I am 1.75 and will only touch the bottom on a .4 dead low. I can get out all tide on a .5 if I am careful about being in the middle. It is very easy to drift out of the channel you need to use the triangles not the poles to stay in the middle. Drift out of the channel and you will bump the bottom in anything. Pine Harbour has 9m and 10.5m berths so getting something that fits in a 9m saves money, but the 10.5's fit a 1020 so that is good if you go bigger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thefreerangekiwi 0 Posted February 20, 2019 Author Share Posted February 20, 2019 It was definitely the bottom, I know what hitting it feels like and what it took to get moving again and staying in the middle doesn't work when you have someone coming towards you. That said, the boat has been kept there almost since the marina first opened and it's only the second time it's touched. The first time was at dead low many years ago again with another vessel approaching and steadfastly maintaining their position in the middle of the channel so we had to avoid a collision by moving right to the edge that time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chariot 244 Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 I draw 1.5m and have no problem. As rawhide says, use the triangles. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SloopJohnB 329 Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 https://yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/farr-1-2-tonner/227743 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thefreerangekiwi 0 Posted February 20, 2019 Author Share Posted February 20, 2019 I draw 1.5m and have no problem. As rawhide says, use the triangles. I'll pass that on to the owner but avoiding large boats coming at you who refuse to leave the middle of the channel remains a problem. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thefreerangekiwi 0 Posted February 20, 2019 Author Share Posted February 20, 2019 https://yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/farr-1-2-tonner/227743 Looks like fun but doesn't appeal from a cruising comfort and storage space point of view. Plus the cost of bringing it back and paying import costs doesn't make it attractive. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tazzy Devil 18 Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 At you price point you have options- there was a big leap between the mid 70’s and mid 80’s boats in performance. In you size range cockpit space matters. A boom tent is way more useful than a few more inches of galley space. Another thing to consider is that the cruiser racers are often more efficiently laid out. Less cupboards and draws and cabinetery that holds stuff you never use and more scope for getting the boat how you want it. Storage space is a bit overrated. I’ve got loads on my current boat but it just ends up getting packed with crap. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wild violet 38 Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 I've got a 31 foot bulletproof yacht with a lot of cruising gear for sale she is steel have cruised the south island Stewart island and the Chatham on her in the last two years comfortably and with no issues.did the Chathams solo got so bored sailing alone I'm moving on let me know if your interested.very easy boat too sail Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thefreerangekiwi 0 Posted February 24, 2019 Author Share Posted February 24, 2019 Thanks for the offer wild violet but steel isn't something I'm looking for although I do have a thing for aluminium. I have been in touch with Vorpal Blade about his mates Young 88, just waiting on some more details. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chariot 244 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 At this stage, it would either kept at Pine Harbour or Shelly Park and both have issues with access at low tide. Shallow draft isn't critical but it would certainly add flexibility to when I could go in and out. I knew there were some twin keel versions made of the Lotus 9.2 and I had heard there was also a centreboard version but have never come across either for sale. I have also seen a shoal draft fin keel version but from what I understand most have the normal fin keel. The Whiting 29 has two versions, a shallow draft masthead rig cruising version and a deeper draft version with a fractional rig although I have come across hybrid versions. From what I have found out so far the Young 88 has a fin keel version and it looks like some have modified fins so the draft varies and there's also a swing keel version. They all seem to have reasonable headroom from what I can gather. Another feature I would like is an open or walk through transom, possibly with a sugar scoop but it's not an absolute must have. I have seen a couple of Lotus 9.2's modified like this but it would be a bit of an undertaking to do. Some of the Whiting 29's were fitted with a sugar scoop option and a couple have been modified to walk through. Still a little bit of work but not nearly as much as the Lotus 9.2. The Young 88 already has an open transom and as I enjoy sailing I am attracted to its sailing performance. So, for an all-weather yacht single-handed cruising around NZ for extended periods with the possibility of having one or two inexperienced crew aboard sometimes which of these would be your preference and why? If you are looking at renting or buying a Marina at Pine Harbour I have 1 that will be available from late March. 10.5m very close in. PM me if you want any further information. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Y88 Association 8 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 Hi there, Some might accuse us of being biased but..... whilst not the perfect boat in everyone's eyes Jim Young's designs and Roger Land's production was decades ahead of its time. So much so that they can almost foot it 35 years later with the latest production boats. ...... We are having some fun in a dialogue with Jim comparing the J88 (2018) and J99 (2019) to the Y88 and Y99. The Young 88 Owners association is here to help with advice and to answer any questions related to all things Young 88. Refer to the web site for contacts https://www.young88.org.nz/classcontacts and follow us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/YoungEightyEight for latest news and events. BTW the AGM is going to be held Tuesday March 19th, 1900hrs at the RNZYS, boring protocol first then class updates and Americas Cup focused guest speaker. Check FB events for details and to register interest https://www.facebook.com/pg/YoungEightyEight/events/ Good luck with the purchase decision Mike Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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