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30 minutes ago, harrytom said:

Just saw on the News the Hamilton express train.3 hrs Frankton to Cbd or there abouts until theres a fault on electrication system $17 one way?

Consider it a proof of concept.

It needs to be faster, on wider spaced rails for sure, terminate in downtown Auckland or close by, and ideally have links to the Bay of Plenty, Auckland Airport, and the North Shore.

Even longer term, medium speed rail to Wellington.  True high speed (TGV, Shinkansen 250-300kph) is too expensive for our population, but a train that could cruise at 150 - 170 kph makes the trip AKL-WLG approximately 4.5 hour passage.  Flying is around 2.5 hours if things go well... 

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INVESTIGATION: Is it possible to commute from Hamilton to Auckland using the new $92m Te Huia train service?

4:30am: You wake up to your blaring alarm in the suburbs of Hamilton. Your day is already off to a bad start.

5:30am: Your commute begins. You drive to the Frankton train station.

5:46am: You board the train in the nick of time. The carriage is empty. Thanks to a massive taxpayer subsidy, your fare is only $17.

7:25am: You arrive in Papakura, after 98 minutes on the train. That’s more than enough time to watch the 1996 Ewan McGregor classic Trainspotting. But your commute is not over.

7:36am: You transfer onto Auckland Transport’s Southern Line. Hopefully you’ve got a HOP card! Your fare is $6.80.

8:43am: You arrive at Britomart station 67 minutes later. That’s enough time to watch 12 episodes of Thomas the Tank Engine.

9am: Three and a half hours after you left home, you arrive at the office. You receive a formal warning for being half an hour late to work.

You don’t arrive home in Hamilton until 8:15pm. Your total commute was seven hours. You spent $47.60. By the end of the week, that adds up to 35 hours, costing $238 – the same amount you pay in rent. Taking into account the taxpayers’ contribution, the real cost is over $1,000.

9pm: You crawl into bed after a microwave dinner. You are sad, you are poor, and you are so, so tired.

CONCLUSION: Anything is possible if you hate yourself.

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The problem with Auckland and the surrounding regions is that too many people live too far away from their place of work. This struck me when I moved here 20yrs ago and met people living on the north shore who worked (and commuted) to East Tamaki for example. WTF?! Where I came from nobody in their right mind would live north of London and commute daily through the city to work south. And this is even proven by traffic flows. Apparently if you take a helicopter view of the morning and evening rush hours in Auckland central it is very difficult to tell which pic is which - which is almost unique globally.

When I lived at GH I loved the ferry into the city even though it was lamentably infrequent back then. These days it’s much better. But I wondered why there wasn’t a network of water taxis running up & down the north shore into the city too.

Maybe we need to find a way to encourage shorter commuting alongside infrastructure?

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2 hours ago, aardvarkash10 said:

Consider it a proof of concept.

It needs to be faster, on wider spaced rails for sure, terminate in downtown Auckland or close by, and ideally have links to the Bay of Plenty, Auckland Airport, and the North Shore.

Even longer term, medium speed rail to Wellington.  True high speed (TGV, Shinkansen 250-300kph) is too expensive for our population, but a train that could cruise at 150 - 170 kph makes the trip AKL-WLG approximately 4.5 hour passage.  Flying is around 2.5 hours if things go well... 

Problem is it's not going to work and they will use it as "proof" that rail doesn't work. 

3h is far too long, needs to be 45-55min, entirely possible without high-speed rail.

Don't need wider rail spacing, plenty of trains in the world run fast on a narrow gauge like ours.

Do need electrification of the Hamilton to Auckland stretch. 

Do need to put a tunnel under the hill from Pokeno directly north. 

Train needs to run every hour from 5am through to 11pm. This way it gives the flexibility for people to actually use it. Fast stops (2 min max) in: Te Rapa, Ngaruawahia, Huntly, Mercer, Pokeno, then into the AKL region.

 

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They are loking at AK to TGA,had the silver fern back in 2000,left papakura 6.00pm tga by 9.00pm.Looking AK the whangarei.

Agree"Fogg" live near to your work with staggered start/finish times.I am within 13ks of work.Mind you that 13ks in the afternoon about 4.00pm can take an hour.Wouldnt want to travel much further.Why sit in a car/train/bus for 3hrs a day??

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8 hours ago, Fogg said:

 Where I came from nobody in their right mind would live north of London and commute daily through the city to work south. 

Fogg, please. That's a simplistic view at best.  I lived in Basingstoke and commuted to the Oxford street for a while, and had a cousin that lived further south than that and commuted into the city for years. 

The difference is that although it's still a haul it's a feasible exercise because there are regular trains.  They also have the population to make it feasible to run those trains, we don't.  (and that's not even starting on the dificulties Auckland has being on an isthmus let alone decades of 'lets just build more roads').

Also, it's quite easy for one person to live near their workplace, but it doesn't happen very often that both people working live nearby.  My wife walks about 400m to work and that was one of the reasons we moved there. 

My job on the other hand just moved from Mt Roskill to the airport so I now do exactly what you describe as ridiculous.

So I'm about to start riding my bike from the shore to the airport via Greenhithe because there is no way of getting over the bridge.  Still, I'd rather do that than drive.

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Everything we have seen or been presented talking 2nd crossing is one side of the water to the other. Not a single sign of anything like CBD to Albany or Waterview across the waters, it's all been Westhaven to Barry point road type of thing. But that does make it harder as any entry/exit of any 2nd crossing needs a fair whack of space and there sweet feck all of that by the waters edge close to the CBD.

You need to remember the council sees Auckland as what used to be Auckland. There seems quite a reluctance for it to recognise it's domain now is vastly bigger.

The news article yesterday about a second bridge stirred up some amusement.

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The main business driver for a second crossing is the limited life span of the current crossing. Basic metal fatigue and cyclic loading means they need to build another one.

Any hopes of improved travel times and productivity is just that, hopes...

I'm loving you guys saying this should be done, or that should be done. When you see the cost estimates, and plans to fund it, regional fuel taxes, congestion charging or what ever, I think the mood will change sharply. Fully agree we need to be planning inf 50 yrs ahead. Who is bitching about the cost of City Rail Link? I am.... that one project has killed off every other transport upgrade across all of Auckland.

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1 minute ago, Fish said:

 Who is bitching about the cost of City Rail Link? I am.... that one project has killed off every other transport upgrade across all of Auckland.

And everyone who said it would before it started was told they didn't know sh*t, that would never happen, STFU. Also the cost blows out, never ever going to happen right up the days it did.

People remember.

 

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26 minutes ago, Tamure said:

also, anyone remember the old Mangere bridge? One day they decided to build a new one along with a motorway and then nek minut..  Can someone tell me the precise political process that results in a decision to proceed? Is it constituent driven, planning driven, who signs it off?

Now we have a motorway bridge at mangere and an old bridge used a buffer in case of a shipping mishap buts the new bridge going to do??run trains.?

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8 minutes ago, Tamure said:

also, anyone remember the old Mangere bridge? One day they decided to build a new one along with a motorway and then nek minut..  Can someone tell me the precise political process that results in a decision to proceed? Is it constituent driven, planning driven, who signs it off?

Cock wombles using nefarious techniques.

One biggie for me I'm still gobsmaked over is a good part of the pre-build marketing contained 'we asked the people and 69% were in favour of it'. That's fine, 69% should have the edge over the remaining 31% BUT how solid was that 69%? Suss the deep darkest corners to where the 69% came from to find it was 83 people out of the 119 they asked. That micro sampling size came up a few times but got pooh poohed as not relevant.

1 minute ago, Tamure said:

it was a metaphor for putting the greater good of the community before one's self interest. I did not actually mean a team of home owners.

I know but it's 2021 dude, self interest reigns more now than ever. Those driving many of these projects are doing purely out of self interest.

 

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2 hours ago, harrytom said:

Now we have a motorway bridge at mangere and an old bridge used a buffer in case of a shipping mishap buts the new bridge going to do??run trains.?

No shipping anymore, apart from the odd fishing boat.

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On 25/03/2021 at 11:58 AM, harrytom said:

Why sit in a car/train/bus for 3hrs a day??

Rather not waste that time, but at least in the train you could read, or snooze, or have a beer. 
Beginning of last year I was spending 1.5h each way. 2 trains and a bike ride at each end. Thank god for home office. 
 

I always felt that the Tron could have been the transport hub of the upper central NI. connections to the main Waikato towns plus rotovegas, tag/mount, Maserati, and at one point  even paeroa and Thames. 
it’s not until you live with a decent train and public transport set up that you realise how truly liberating it is. 

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3 hours ago, DrWatson said:

Rather not waste that time, but at least in the train you could read, or snooze, or have a beer. 
Beginning of last year I was spending 1.5h each way. 2 trains and a bike ride at each end. Thank god for home office. 
 

I always felt that the Tron could have been the transport hub of the upper central NI. connections to the main Waikato towns plus rotovegas, tag/mount, Maserati, and at one point  even paeroa and Thames. 
it’s not until you live with a decent train and public transport set up that you realise how truly liberating it is. 

Used public transport in Sydney,not best but it worked.Ak to the Tron would of been good on Friday as shw1 blocked for hrs at meremere.3 hrs to get back and every car had 1 person in it,no idea how many cars there were but more than train capacity of 300.

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5 hours ago, harrytom said:

Used public transport in Sydney,not best but it worked.Ak to the Tron would of been good on Friday as shw1 blocked for hrs at meremere.3 hrs to get back and every car had 1 person in it,no idea how many cars there were but more than train capacity of 300.

I’m talking about a train capacity of 1200 - every hour or 2000 in rush hour.

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Chatting to a dude who lets office buildings in the CBD this morning. He reckons there is empty space all over the show and it's only going to decrease due to covid showing how most CBD office wombles can do the same from home and elsewhere. He sees a comparative ghost town there soon. He questioned why all the effort around public transport is based on getting bodies in to and then out of Queen Street.

He has a good point.

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14 hours ago, KM... said:

Chatting to a dude who lets office buildings in the CBD this morning. He reckons there is empty space all over the show and it's only going to decrease due to covid showing how most CBD office wombles can do the same from home and elsewhere. He sees a comparative ghost town there soon. He questioned why all the effort around public transport is based on getting bodies in to and then out of Queen Street.

He has a good point.

As one of those office wombles, working from home has been a lifestyle godsend.
1. I get one to two hours more sleep per day, or if I wake up early I just scroll through sites like this online until I fee like getting up to put the kettle on.
2. I no longer sit in morning and evening rush hour traffic
3. I save a heap of money on petrol and parking.
4. I don't have to listen to idle and not so idle office chatter bollocks
5. I don't have to worry about winter colds and flu that other office wombles cough and splutter throughout the whole building

However, I do find a bit of resistance from some management who are stuck in the old ways, and want "everyone back in the office to build team spirit".  I mean - hand me a bucket while I puke.
 

 

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Drop number 2 off Sunday evening at AK uni and pick up Thursday evening. Often wonder down the through Queen st and surrounding areas and think why would anyone want a business in Downtown, empty buildings some real sh*t apartment conversions,lowlifes with hand out on every corner. Why would(if i was in business)need to go to the cbd when we have lawyers/accounts etc out in the suburbs who are just as capable. Working from home I can see people being more productive without the management wombles interrupting with silly questions. Well the wife seems more productive, and user friendly as not coming home complaining about workmates and their trivial lives. 

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