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Rant. You cant' keep your cake and eat it too.  Some people screaming for the borders to open, other people screaming for them to shut and exclude even NZ citizens. Other people screaming that th

It's good that we are being honest.  I've just gone through and re-read the thread and I'd like to explain myself. Your post, which initiated the thread drift on to air crew, included this statem

and there is the Achilles heel. Relying on people to 'do the right thing' has been proven time and time again to fail. Call me a pessimist but in matters of public health - especially under the curren

16 minutes ago, DrWatson said:

14 days quarantine, not 28 ;)

 

Nope, read the whole article...

SHORE-LEAVE RULES TIGHTENED

Crews on foreign ships will be required to enter managed isolation if on shore-leave, unless they had been on the ship for a continuous 28 days without showing symptoms.

The 28-day rule doubles the earlier requirement that those working on ships must have been onboard for 14 days or longer with no health problems apparent.

Ardern said she didn't expect many crew to actually take shore leave in New Zealand if they had to be in managed isolation, while many ships wouldn't be at sea for 28 continuos days.

The move follows Ports of Auckland banning crews leaving ships.

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I always read the whole article ;)

 

Still 14 days. 28 days refers to time on ship (transit). No sentence above, nor in the article, says 28 days quarantine. Managed Isolation is 14 days unless you've been 28 days or more at sea and no signs of sickness, then no managed isolation. 28 days is double the earlier 14 day onboard requirement.

 

RNZ has a clearer article: 

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/419577/cabinet-expands-cruise-ship-ban-mandatory-tests-guidelines-for-travellers-ardern

"The government also extended the cruise ship ban beyond 30 June, for a further 60 or 90 days, Ardern said.

There are exceptions to the ban, including for cargo vessels to load and unload and fishing vessels to unload and resupply.

However, any crew arriving in New Zealand would need to spend 14 days in quarantine in New Zealand unless they had been on the boat for 28 days prior to arriving. This is a tightening of the current rules, she said."

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its 14 days unless you refuse a test, then its 28 days. I'm sure someone may want to refuse a test for some crazy reason, but I can't see many people doing more than 14 days if they don't have to.

I am pleased they've tightened the shore leave for sailors. Got to plug the gaps...

 

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8 minutes ago, Fish said:

its 14 days unless you refuse a test, then its 28 days. I'm sure someone may want to refuse a test for some crazy reason, but I can't see many people doing more than 14 days if they don't have to.

I am pleased they've tightened the shore leave for sailors. Got to plug the gaps...

 

Where did you read that Fish, I did not see that anywhere?

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Second para of that story:

A new Health Order will make it explicit that arriving Kiwis need to return a negative Covid-19 test before leaving isolation or quarantine after 14 days. Those that refuse can be held for up to a month.

But I also heard the announcement either the other day or somewhere else.

To be fair, that rule is for returning kiwis. Ships crew are allowed off the ship, if they want to go into managed isolation. Otherwise they have to stay on their ship. That story wasn't clear on ships crew needing to return a negative test before leaving isolation, but they would still have to stay a minimum of 14 days, how many ships stay in the one port for more than 14 days?

It's little loop holes like ships crews I haven't been comfortable with (that and the general poor management of the isolation requirements). I'm still not comfortable bout air crew just strolling around...

 

 

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This story sums up all of my concerns with air crew border control. Apologies for the drift away from maritime.

I think commercial sailors are the least of our worries. What are they most likely to do if they get shore leave? Go to a knock shop for some light relief, or sit in the corner of a pub near the waterfront? Generally going to expose themselves to very few people, unless you work on Fort St (apologies for the blatant and politcailly incorrect stereo type of sailors in port, I'm sure some of them like knitting, and get shore leave so they can acquire top quality NZ wool...). But Air NZ cabin crew could expose themselves to a few hundred people a day...

PS, Health Minster David Clark is going to have a hard word with Air NZ, what a joke, I'd bitch slap that clown if he tried having a hard word with me. I'm sure Air NZ would run rings around him. He has no mandate...

An Air New Zealand crew member warned on Friday that flight attendants could crew trans-Tasman flights and then be assigned to domestic flights two days later, without having gone through any self-isolation or testing.They also feared there was a temptation for air crew to breach self-isolating rules during stop-overs in the United States, saying there was no room service at the Ayres Hotel in Los Angeles that Air NZ is understood to use for layovers and its restaurant is currently closed.

 

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said at a press conference on Monday that Health Minister David Clark would be sitting down with Air New Zealand that day "to reinforce just how important it is that airline crew uphold ... expectations".

A spokesman for Clark declined to say what specifically had prompted the meeting, which was due to take place on Monday evening.

"Currently the only international flights where there would be any potential cross-over with air crew with scheduled domestic flights in New Zealand would be Air New Zealand flights to low risk countries such as Australia and the Pacific," she said.

"The majority of flight crew on Australia and Pacific flights remain airside and do not stay overnight before returning to New Zealand." The concerned crew member has disputed that "low risk" assessment, noting many passengers flying from Australia are transitting from countries in Europe and Asia where the coronavirus may be prevalent.

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/121902230/health-ministry-defends-covid-rules-for-air-crew-saying-australia-low-risk

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