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#1 erice

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Posted 17 June 2017 - 04:57 PM

correction - destroyer

 

surely everyone on both bridges wasn't asleep

 

like an ancient battle between triremes 

 

the rammer gets away with scratches

 

the rammed loses sailors and takes on water

 

doesn't say much about state of the art aegis warships, their  crews + training

 

http://www.stuff.co....merchant-vessel

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Barring a mechanical error—in these systems or, say, one ship's steering capacity—the collision likely resulted from a mistake, or a series of mistakes. "It's usually human error," Dyer says. Ships follow international "rules of the road" when they're in the same area, which specify how what actions to take in myriad situations, but there's no air traffic controller-equivalent giving instructions to keep everyone separated.

Most likely, the crews on one or both ships just did the wrong thing or miscalculated. 


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Posted 17 June 2017 - 07:25 PM

Wow! it's possible the cargo ship crew weren't fully on the ball, but you wouldn't expect that from the warship!
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Posted 17 June 2017 - 09:01 PM

Article on stuff says "such incidents are rare"

I fu$king hope so!
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#4 rigger

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Posted 17 June 2017 - 09:50 PM

The destroyer was hit on the stbd side.
Look at aerial pics of the box boat, bulb appears to have discoloration ~ contact? That would make a large hole.
Warships can be hard to detect on radar (design and coatings) sometimes run dark, switch off their AIS if fitted, do not answer radio call.
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#5 Fish

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Posted 17 June 2017 - 10:32 PM

Port starboard. Who has damage on the starboard side and who on the port bow?

Maybe the yanks just think colregs don't apply to them?

7 'missing' sailors, they imply they've gone overboard.

Sounds like the box ship bulb gave them a good nudge below the waterline. They've been holed.

On a warship, if a compartment is compromised, don't they just shut the bulk head doors in a hurry, regardless of if the crew in that compartment have gotten out. Wonder where the 7 missing sailors are.
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#6 Knot Me... maybe

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Posted 17 June 2017 - 11:17 PM

but you wouldn't expect that from the warship!

I have very deep and very long ties with a Navy, including skippering many of it's boats......... but I was never allowed a fun one that has big guns and/or missiles and/or Helichoppers.

 

My expectations and yours vary immensely.


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Posted 18 June 2017 - 12:45 AM

Some suggestion here of a deliberate ramming. The container ship did a 180 1/2 an hour before impact... http://www.vesselofi...n-with-uss.html


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#8 wild violet

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 07:23 AM

Who didnt have their ais turned on
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#9 erice

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 08:11 AM

Some suggestion here of a deliberate ramming. The container ship did a 180 1/2 an hour before impact... http://www.vesselofi...n-with-uss.html

 

looks like the container was running ais dark on autopilot

 

 the ACX Crystal leaving the scene of the collision. Yes. LEAVING the scene, only to return an hour later. I'll get back to that.

 

 I believe this shows that

 

1) nobody was on the bridge of the Crystal and

 

2) "Iron Mike" was in controls for a full 15min *after* the collision; see item 1.

 

 There have been no reports that any distress call went out until after the ACX Crystal came back at 17:30Z, an hour after the collision.


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Posted 18 June 2017 - 08:19 AM

I very much doubt the 7 missing have gone overboard. I would think they are below in the 3 flooded sections. That Container ships Bulb is a long way forward. There is no way the damage on the Bow of the CShip could sustain that much damage without that Bulb punching damn near half way into the Navy Ship. 

I find it hard to believe that the CShip could slam into that NShip and no one notice and then continue on. It must have made a hell of a noise and slowed the CShip dramatically. Even down in the Engine Room, surely someone would have noticed the power to the prop spiking. And I am surprised it didn't carry on with the NShip wrapped around the bow. In fact, I am surprised the NShip didn't simply snap in two or bend completely around the others Bow. That is some serious mass slamming into another large mass.


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