waikiore 405 Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 A sad day for the crew of her over the years , scary how quick she went down at least the crew are ok , I guess the only thing to do is a wake at the Northcote Tavern? Anyway there is another ply rum racer almost complete at Milford to take her place soon on the start lines. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Deep Purple 512 Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 Very sad. She’s had a few knocks over the years. What happened? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Deep Purple 512 Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 Pre-start? I see Eliphunk is down as a DNS Quote Link to post Share on other sites
waikiore 405 Posted June 26, 2020 Author Share Posted June 26, 2020 Beale Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DrWatson 381 Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 Any updates? Glad to hear Everyone ok. Pic I saw looks like she’ll be quite the hazard in the start box. Any word on hauling her out before the current takes her? I expect that to sink in a few seconds like that, the damage must be considerable - and would take someone very dedicated to the cause to take it on. Seem to remember that when Gypsy went down, took a bit to find her after a few tides. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ex Elly 197 Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 Well there was no mast or sails visible on Saturday noontime. Maybe salvaged already? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Deep Purple 512 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 On 27/06/2020 at 10:29 AM, waikiore said: Beale The Beale 31 entered for SSANZ this weekend, Los Molinos? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
waikiore 405 Posted June 30, 2020 Author Share Posted June 30, 2020 No this will be a brand new Beale 10 Los Molinos is over 20 years old Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fish 0 Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 They are trying to lift elephunk today apparently. She is in something like 25 m of water. The sails were dropped before she went down, with the intention of her not sailing around on the sea floor. I see a random buoy and a work boat loitering in the general area of the Westhaven start line. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ex Elly 197 Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 Glad they have found her. There is a protest hearing on Monday: https://www.rnzys.org.nz/sailing-protests-2/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Deep Purple 512 Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 She’s out, easy fix Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fish 0 Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 24 minutes ago, Deep Purple said: She’s out, easy fix Photos or it never happened Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DrWatson 381 Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 these landed on my phone over night. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
erice 732 Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 looks remarkably intact Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fish 0 Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 That doesn't look too bad for a boat thats spent 5 days on the seabed. All the pointy bits are still pointing the right way. Did it have an inboard or an outboard? New suite of lectronics and you'll be sorted. Might need to patch that hole up for CAT 5 though... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DrWatson 381 Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 29 minutes ago, Fish said: Might need to patch that hole up for CAT 5 though... Hang a beach towel over it. If you can't see it you won't worry... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
erice 732 Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 all ok on the 1 tack could do most of the coastal seriously though good to see her not a tangled mess of spars and kindling getting the sails down, with the luxury of time, seems excellent advice for any sinking/capsizing Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Romany 162 Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 Damn good work by crew to drop and lash main down in under a minute. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cameron 80 Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 An interesting detail that certainly contributed to likelihood of a collision occurring on the startline such as the one that sunk Elliphunk is major line bias. I realise that rum races are meant to be fun and not taken as seriously and that using permanent marks and start tower dramatically reduces the resource required by a club to run a race. It is also "part of the challenge" but it undoubtedly also increases the risk. Why? Because rather than the fleet spreading right along the startline, they will all congregate at one end. For this particular start, on starboard close hauled a yacht would only be doing a little better than sailing along the line... as such many started on port with some possibly not even thinking that a few boats would still consider starting on starboard with such a heading. Late dips, congestion, and a risk of another boat being forced to tack (by other starboard tackers) cutting off your escape route are likely. I suspect with rum racing the "fixed" startline won't change and you just need to think more about the possibilities... However the following day for the RNZYS winter series the startline was between Te Kouma and a laid mark yet they pretty much replicated the rum race start of the day before in regards to angle and bias. To me this is absolutely crazy! If your going to bother to actually set a line at least try and make it a fair one. The tendency is to set the line square to the course... pretty much straight across the harbour. This inevitably creates a favoured end. Instead the race committee should angle the line to balance this with the objective being that there are valid reasons to start at any position along the line and potentially win the start. This will spread the fleet along the line and also result in more boats being "in the hunt" right of the start. It also reduces the chances of OCS, and recalls. It's by no means just the RNZYS that is guilty of biased starts, virtually every club does it. This video below is a classic. Everybody wanted the windward end for a reaching start and it was carnage! SSANZ was lucky that there were no serious collisions. Some blame the sailors, and there is undoubtably some dumb stuff going on... but would this situation have happened if there was 20 deg more bias put into the other end of the line? I doubt it... well at least would be massively reduced. Same argument applies with class racing... if you get numerous general recalls generally the fleet is blamed for misbehaving. However I would put money on it that a large percentage of the time it's caused by a startline with too much bias. The other option is the line is fair but the course significantly favours one side, hence all the boats want to start at one end. The race committees challenge then is to put in enough deliberate bias to the line to tempt the fleet to spread right along the line. So what's my point... Essentially Race Management can have a massive impact on risks of collision at the start. If they are going to "set" a startline as opposed to using permeant marks etc then they should at least try to make the start a fair one. Just setting a line and thinking it's up to the sailors to sort it out I believe is a little irresponsible. The more serious the event and the greater the number of competitors the more important this becomes. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fish 0 Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 25 minutes ago, Romany said: Damn good work by crew to drop and lash main down in under a minute. My understanding is that it was a case of blowing the halyards and stepping over the life line... I'm not across the detail on when the main was lashed down, either before or after recovery. What did they bring it up with? I've only seen a modest sized workboat in the area (the one in the photo). Was it air bags or something? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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