wheels 543 Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 That is something I get annoyed with also. Yes, even brand new still in the wrapper you could say, you have to get someone to Test and Tag it. Waste of time and money. They should come with a 12month tag already fitted in my opinion. Or at the very least, a manufacturing date that then allows you 12months before you have to test and tag.You could do it another way, but it is more expensive. Get a sparky to make a lead at the exact length you need and then as part of that, he can tag it for you. Except there is no way a sparky can come even close to the price you can buy a lead for from Mega10 etc. Mind you, he would be using a good quality plug and a good quality lead and that is something anyone would be paying top dollar for at the big retailers anyway. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Myjane 40 Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 Yes wheels , but I believe nobody should be allowed to sell any thing that needs testing for use , put it back on the retailers to get the tag as we have to , this is this unguided , miss handled self made health and safety bull Sh,,t crowd that save life's or should it be we have stoped being trained , in the art of common fkn scense , , , I think I need a walk , ,,,,,, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Battgirl 23 Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 Myjane take a deep breath count to 10 relax. You hit the nail on the head ie common sense. The problem is its not as common as it used to be... sooooo frustrating Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wheels 543 Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 Yes wheels , but I believe nobody should be allowed to sell any thing that needs testing for use , put it back on the retailers to get the tag as we have to , this is this unguided , miss handled self made health and safety bull Sh,,t crowd that save life's or should it be we have stoped being trained , in the art of common fkn scense , , , I think I need a walk , ,,,,,, Problem is, if the retailer has to tag, then they will charge more passing the cost on. So it is the manufacturer that needs to tag. They already have a tag on leads to show warnings and advertise the Country of origin etc, so all they need is a date of which the retailer could simply date with something like a stamp or Pen. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dagwood 57 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 I've always wondered how many dangerous problems have been uncovered by a test and tag professional that a user with half a clue wouldn't have spotted... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Myjane 40 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Like what , a new power lead has been tested before it leaves the factory , annoying thing is the day you buy a power lead or a power tool the outer casing starts to shrink and leave exposed cables , that's what the self made test and Tagers look for , Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wheels 543 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Ummm Outer casing shrinking? That shouldn't happen.One of the biggest issues is most people have no clue that there is a special way all Power leads need to be wound up. Many simply wrap it around their elbow. But this untwists the inner wires and you end up with a cable full of kinks you can never get out. There is a special way to wind it that every alternate wrap is flicked the opposite lay. When I was servicing, we would drop a long power lead into a Bucket of water before testing. It was surprising the number of leads from Building sites that had pin holes in the insulation from being dragged around the site and testing a wet lead would show that up. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Beccara 25 Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 There's a reason high voltage insulated tools are tested every time before use. You physically can't see a hole big enough to let the angry pixies out of Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Myjane 40 Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 Agree but new tools ,power tools have to be passed when New before the user gets hold of it , now big New Zealand wants a TAG on it after you buy it to comply with there company's rules ,more cost on the new home Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Beccara 25 Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 That's incorrect, It's unlikely that a new tool has actually been tested for insulation, They may or may not have had a sample pulled from a production run and tested into the ground but that doesn't protect against flaws in the specific unit. QA between vendors can vary so much you'd never be able to police it, Given the recent TPS issue I doubt this stance will change Tagging once in NZ ensure that as the owner has it in their hands at that point in time it's tested ok. Relying on a test in the factory when the unit is then freighted all over the place and held in place for short or long periods of time. Also, good luck getting Worksafe or a NZ court to fine Ryobi because of a faulty unit. Nothing stopping a retailer in NZ getting them tested and tagged for sale off the shelf tho if there was a market for such a thing Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Myjane 40 Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 What , all tools sold in nz have to be double insulated I am told to get clearance to go on the market Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Beccara 25 Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 Double insulation helps but it still doesn't stop defects and it doesn't stop issues with the fixed power lead as well which tends to be cheap as sh*t thermoset plastic. Have you never had something DOA right out of the box? If QA can't pick up a dead tool right off the line then do you really think they will catch all of the dangerous defects? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dtwo 157 Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 Dont forget that marina electrocutions are a national epidemic Yep, what they charge is always a shock 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Beccara 25 Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 Do you not think that the fact it isn't is due to regulations like cable checking and vet'ed installs on boats? I can't remember the last electroshock drowning in NZ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Island Time 1,235 Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 Nope, I don't think it's due to testing. I can't remember a single incident BEFORE all this crap began being enforced. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Myjane 40 Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 Any way as one guy Said to me , the tag is only covers the lead till it leaves his hands after that it's how it's treated Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Beccara 25 Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 Just how far are you going back IT cable tags have been around in one shape or another since the 80's Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wheels 543 Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 Nope, I don't think it's due to testing. I can't remember a single incident BEFORE all this crap began being enforced. I do know of some incidents and Deaths, mainly from the safety training, but no idea if these were in NZ or not. The main reason the regs were introduced was to bring us into line with International standards and as Oz has written many of the standards, NZ adopted them. Hence many of the Regs have A/NZ before the number. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Island Time 1,235 Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 Just how far are you going back IT cable tags have been around in one shape or another since the 80's Yep, agreed, but they were not enforced in the Marinas I was in back then... and yes, I started sailing in the early 70s... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Myjane 40 Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 If we carry on like scared pussys of every thing that comes with a power lead life will be a bad thing , New Zealand has a set of rules for importers , and manufacturers. To live up to. You can't import for sale in nz with out having certain criterior. So let's move on Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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