erice 732 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 so the numbers appear to be in 5 options ranging from $150 - $190 million etnz to choose which they prefer? if they can help sort the private sponsorship to pay for it? as council don't want to invest $150 million on infrastructure that will immediately kick back >$500million into the local economy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
muzled 140 Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 I find myself not really caring if they take the thing to Italy. Spending x hundred million on a new wharf to me is kinda like putting in a luxury you could easily do without, like say a swimming pool in your back yard when the mortgage is maxed out. Or are the council going to come out of it breaking even? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Priscilla II 395 Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 I find myself not really caring if they take the thing to Italy. Spending x hundred million on a new wharf to me is kinda like putting in a luxury you could easily do without, like say a swimming pool in your back yard when the mortgage is maxed out. Or are the council going to come out of it breaking even? Councils never break even. That concept is definitely not in the DNA of a TLA. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Battleship 100 Posted November 14, 2017 Author Share Posted November 14, 2017 Supposedly Bermuda made a tidy profit from the AC http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11942756 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
erice 732 Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 ^ excellent! roll on an even better cup not really a biggy to me where the bases are but can imagine the synergies if they were together http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11943995 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
muzled 140 Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 That 2nd option looks fine to me, not all the bases are directly together but near enough. Compared with intruding into the harbour putting the bases together is pretty the lowest priority in my book. Sounds like there is some pragmatism in the thinking at least. The Bledisloe debacle is strong proof of that. We don't have to have all the bells and whistles for the event," said Goldwater, saying the city should make better use of existing facilities to minimise invasion of the harbour If Ellison, spitball and co turn up again give them the smallest shittiest one... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
erice 732 Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 2nd option looks fine to me too sure there'd be lots of little bicycles to nip between the bases which base would be etnz's? you'd almost expect they should be S8, the defender away from the rest a bit but the '8' designation tends to support it being the least favoured position, only to be used if there are 7 challengers Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Deep Purple 512 Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 Does anyone see the irony that the very group Auckland yachties supported in their droves to block Ports of Auckland extending the wharves now stands between them and holding the Americas Cup in Auckland? Anyway, Halsey Wharf will not be extended. Auckland Council is broke and can't drop $100m on a project with no assured payback even if it could be built in 2-3 years which I think is impossible. The government is already facing the 10 billion hole Joyce warned about. https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/98870648/economists-see-government-debt-rising-billions-more-than-labours-plan The only real option is to press ahead with the Westhaven development which is already planned, or use existing wharves (unlikely), or the best option imo, bring in large barges with cranes. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vorpal Blade 89 Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 Does anyone see the irony that the very group Auckland yachties supported in their droves to block Ports of Auckland extending the wharves now stands between them and holding the Americas Cup in Auckland? Anyway, Halsey Wharf will not be extended. Auckland Council is broke and can't drop $100m on a project with no assured payback even if it could be built in 2-3 years which I think is impossible. The government is already facing the 10 billion hole Joyce warned about. https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/98870648/economists-see-government-debt-rising-billions-more-than-labours-plan The only real option is to press ahead with the Westhaven development which is already planned, or use existing wharves (unlikely), or the best option imo, bring in large barges with cranes. So what you are saying then is its going to be in Italy somewhere. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wal 27 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Is Italy in the slightest bit interested to host it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Island Time 1,239 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Graphics of the new design shown today. I was right months ago - no keel, no ballast, wide foils, fully foiling, and should be faster than the cats http://emirates-team-new-zealand.americascup.com/en/videos/2428_The-America-s-Cup-AC75-boat-concept-revealed-.html Great work, now just get it set for Auckland Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Deep Purple 512 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 No comment Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Battleship 100 Posted November 20, 2017 Author Share Posted November 20, 2017 It is ballasted, there is ballast in the foils. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Island Time 1,239 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 True willow, I missed that. Interesting. Can’t see a bulb in the graphics.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MarkMT 68 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Yes they say in the video that the foils are ballasted. Some interesting engineering challenges. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
erice 732 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 carbon around lead? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Island Time 1,239 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Yes mark, but they show no bulges that may contain ballast - I don’t see how they could have sufficient weight for the “self righting “ mentioned. It’s a cool concept though! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
muzled 140 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 So those foils will be like big cantilevers? With the pivot point built into the side of the hull? Be a fun project to be an engineer on. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MarkMT 68 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Remember the stated reason for going back to monos is that that's what "the greater sailing community" can relate to. I hope you all can relate to this. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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