Fogg 427 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10712824 What have you guys been up to this summer?! And why does this not get more focused attention as an obvious area of prevention? I don't have facts to hand but it sounds like the majority of these deaths relate to beach/swimming incidents rather than pure boating - anyone know the exact split? Every time there is a boating incident the do-gooders come out of the woodwork and demand more regulation etc. But why are the same poeple silent on this problem which seems to be bigger but just accepted as a by-product of a nation of beach lovers? Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 How many of those are kids falling in drains many miles from open bodies of water? There has been a few this year. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 I'm with AC. Swimmers should all be licensed. Beginners have to wear lifejackets within 20 metres of the shoreline. Restricted license can only swim during daylight, with waterwings and not within 2 hours of eating. Link to post Share on other sites
wheels 543 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 Beaches like Piha and Muriwai should be closed off. Perhaps give them to the Local Iwi. Link to post Share on other sites
Deep Purple 512 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 Sounded to me like most of the reports involved recent immigrants and unsupervised children. I doubt any amount of legislation is going to change that. Link to post Share on other sites
w44vi 17 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 And why does this not get more focused attention as an obvious area of prevention? The shutting down of school pools! The problem of drowning is going the get much worse! Link to post Share on other sites
Deep Purple 512 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 Question for everyone.........who taught you to swim. For me it was my parents and grandparents at the beach. It certainly wasn't my teachers. The idea that shutting school pools is contributing to drowning is just further evidence of delinquent lazy parents. Link to post Share on other sites
PaulR 3 Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Question for everyone.........who taught you to swim. For me it was my parents and grandparents at the beach. It certainly wasn't my teachers. The idea that shutting school pools is contributing to drowning is just further evidence of delinquent lazy parents. Learnt at the beach, but perhaps this was more mucking about with the waves and simply messing about. Primary school had a pool and some sort of lessons but more swimming widths because of numbers. Real swimming was learnt by lessons in the pool and at about 12 ~ 13yrs at Parnell pool where eventually I swam a mile non stop. 27 lengths and it's a deep pool!! A few years ago, I joined some dedicated harbour swimmers training with coach 3 mornings a week. 4 x 100m and then the speed trials started!! Butterfly is IMHO a silly and stupid waste of energy. So learning continues I enjoy breaststroking Link to post Share on other sites
JK 28 Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 I think the kids learnt nothing at the school lessons due to the numbers involved, more of an excuse for a bit of fooling around outside of the classroom. They did however get to muck around at the beach & had paid lessons. They are all now strong swimmers & the younger 9yo daugher was comfortable taking off her bouyancy aid & diving off a RIB at the Taupo regatta over the weekend & swimming around the RIB/Opti's to cool down. It did surprise me how confident she was, although she seemed to think it was just normal. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Rocket Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Parnell Pools - Paul Krauz? swim school Saturday mornings - cold as spent hanging onto that rail kicking and breathing.... And then the non-stop mile as rite of passage Took all mine to swimming lessons at local pool - getting a pool at home plus holidays at beach/dive lessons has made them very capable and confident. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Sd raises a far more fundamental question. What the hell is wrong with so many parents these days?In so many ways. Link to post Share on other sites
tuffyluffy 76 Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 What the hell is wrong with so many parents these days?In so many ways. We're allowing and encouraging the stupid and incapable ones to breed and vote. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 It all started when we gave women the vote. Link to post Share on other sites
wheels 543 Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Question for everyone.........who taught you to swim. It was school for me. But without seeing why each Statistic drowned, it is possible that lack of being able to swim is not the issue. Hypothermia, Fatigue, Ruff water, being trapped under the water, could all be possible causes of these deaths. Here's a question. If someone drove off the road and into a river and drowned, is it counted as a Road Death or a Drowning?? Link to post Share on other sites
SloopJohnB 322 Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 What the hell is wrong with so many parents these days?In so many ways. Half of them would not know where a beach is....... and the half just rape the shellfish. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Knot sure but I'd say Ma and Pa, which would have been backed up by school. I do this waterwise thing and part of the very start of each year, and sort of compulsory, is each kid must cover 25mts unassisted with no touching the bottom. We use a local grammar school pool, which is actually 33mts but we don't tell them that bit. If they can't get from one end to the other they aren't allowed in the Optis. Day one down the beach we take them a good 100mts off the beach and throw them off the RIB and say 'See ya on the beach', they are wearing lifejackets doing that, but knot in the pool. It is a primary school in the Bayswater/Belmont area and is regarded as the 'lower end of the parents with bucks' school in the area, incorrectly but down that way many parents have status issues sadly and like to think that to make them happy. It is probably the most culturally diverse school in the area, so probably a good 'average' primary school. All the kids to this in the last year before moving on to intermediate school. I'd say, on average as it does vary a little year to year, 20% can do the pool totally effortlessly, 50% can do the pool easily even if swimming style is somewhat 'interesting'. 20% struggle in the pool but given time get there, 5% try but just can't and have no style so look like floundering fish. 5% totally fail and/or just won't even get in the water. But there is a degree of knot wanting to look hopeless in front of their mates I suspect. A few who can't do it we take up in a small group and have another go, most do make it but it's knot pretty. I think there's only been 3 or 4 in the last few years who just can't or possibly 'won't'. The swim back to the beach most do easily but they do have lifejackets on and are paired with a mate. Generally most don't want to get in the water as they'll get eaten by sharks but once I push the 1st few in and the rest see them swimming and alive it's all on. The swimming styles are often ugly but they get there eventually. By far the group who has the biggest issues, be it no idea, no skills at all or just no desire are boys who don't have pale skin. We have had around 4 or 5 over the last few years whose parents didn't want them even having a go. I find that very sad. Generally the majority can keep themselves afloat without to much problem and cover some distance. But there is that small section who just have no idea. Even had a few, and we are talking 9-10yos here, who have never even played on a beach let alone had a go at swimming. Link to post Share on other sites
w44vi 17 Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Here's a question. If someone drove off the road and into a river and drowned, is it counted as a Road Death or a Drowning?? Cause of death is drowning. Even though cause of drowning is accident, same as some one who has a skin full and decides to swim to waiheke Island, cause of death is not recored as stupidity Link to post Share on other sites
rigger 47 Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Here's a question. If someone drove off the road and into a river and drowned, is it counted as a Road Death or a Drowning?? Both That way the stats can be used to bash different issues. Link to post Share on other sites
wheels 543 Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 When I did my dive ticket, i had to swim 400m. Damn near killed me. Now that I'm in my "smarter years", I worked out all i have to do is just float and let the tide do all the work. Link to post Share on other sites
PaulR 3 Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 Parnell Pools - Paul Krauz? swim schoolSaturday mornings - cold as spent hanging onto that rail kicking and breathing.... And then the non-stop mile as rite of passage Correct Rocket. Paul Krauze. A few years ago he was well but needed crutches to walk, and was later struggling. I don't know for certain but he may no longer be with us. Still he was an inspiration and teacher to many. Even now I think of those rail holding times blowing bubbles and head turning whenever I am swimming. Link to post Share on other sites
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