boxonsmash 9 Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 Well I can think of many reasons why it is our business . If you read the Arotake report which I repeatedly posted to this sight you would find many yourself. Or the fact that 18,000 of us pay YNZ $540,000 or so by way of subs. And that we the taxpayer have given YNZ over the last 12 years about $35 million in 2024 dollars. And they are supposed to be their for our benefit and not the other way round. Or that when the Sports Integrity Commission report back more than Abercrombie will be departing. They are still taking submissions 3 months after they started. Or like running out of sailors. The selection for the last Olympics was little more than a chook raffle in the lunatic asylum. Or various issues identified in the report like favouritism for some ,bias against others, a bias against woman And this week they get a gong from Raelene . It just beggars belief. Link to post Share on other sites
lebleaux 13 Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 Ah well. With all these impending vacancies there will be plenty of opportunity for you to get in there and sort it all out. I assume you are polishing your CV. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
boxonsmash 9 Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 The Sports Integrity Commission inquiry has been running for 3 months now and has seen very substantially more submitters than the 50 or so at the invItation only affair at the YNZ offices. The issues revealed by the SIC will be similar in nature to those that were found at Cycling NZ and Canoe Racing NZ. I think the people polishing their CV's right now will be a fair few YNZ management and board members. Some other than our soon to depart Great Dear Leader have done the decent thing and have already gone. Link to post Share on other sites
lebleaux 13 Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 That's interesting, who has already gone Link to post Share on other sites
Psyche 807 Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 19 hours ago, boxonsmash said: The Sports Integrity Commission inquiry has been running for 3 months now and has seen very substantially more submitters than the 50 or so at the invItation only affair at the YNZ offices. The issues revealed by the SIC will be similar in nature to those that were found at Cycling NZ and Canoe Racing NZ. I think the people polishing their CV's right now will be a fair few YNZ management and board members. Some other than our soon to depart Great Dear Leader have done the decent thing and have already gone. Unless you have an insider passing on confidential information which would be unethical this is pure conjecture; any organisation that comes under the microscope of an outside investigation looking for something will never come up 100%, i.e the last report which you called damning was pretty much a nothing burger. Maybe you will get lucky this time but best to wait and see. Link to post Share on other sites
boxonsmash 9 Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 Some people just refuse to acknowledge that which is in plain view in front of them. If there is nothing much to see perhaps YNZ would have made the Arotake document publicly available ? You did read it didn't you ? Particularly Para's 14a and 17a. YNZ's conduct was widely condemned. What needed changing in the High Performance System, well just about everything. The Sports Integrity Commission have been working on this for 3 months now. Receiving submissions from both those that were and those that were not allowed to make submissions to YNZ's invitation only affair. And since they were getting submissions before the Arotake review had been completed there may just be much that causes them concern. All this is in the public domain. If you want any more information you should knock on the door down at Barry's Point Road. Unless you're already there. Otherwise you'll just have to be patient until the Sports Integrity Commission reports back. Link to post Share on other sites
Psyche 807 Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 You've been posting solidly on here doing your best to run YNZ into the ground over some dog you have in this fight, but best to wait and see instead pursuing your personal agenda. Like I said any organisation that comes under scrutiny in our current political climate will have issues, but YNZ will be about dead last on most people's list of what to wave their arms over. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
boxonsmash 9 Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 Just see above Mr Psyche ! Link to post Share on other sites
markm 32 Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 Kind of have to pass the observation, mentions in this thread a few times of the issues at cycling and canoeing. Now firstly I'd have to admit knowing almost nothing of them, sheltered life and all that. Pretty sure though my life isn't so sheltered I couldn't help noticing cycling, canoeing and sailing all probably being in the top five for NZ for Olympic medals in the last 15-20 years. Results would seem to indicate being investigated or whatever is a prerequisite for success rather than a path to failure? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
boxonsmash 9 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 Considering you admit you know almost nothing of what happened at those two sports perhaps you could enlighten yourself , and then offer this forum your apologies and ask the moderator to remove your post. Link to post Share on other sites
Psyche 807 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 Its best to keep things in context here, the clues are in big letters on the tin i.e Olympic Games and High performance Sport High performance; Working or operating at an above average standard Sport; an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment. Why these investigations? The short version is tragedy. Its a fact young people can put their entire self worth into a result which is not forthcoming for reasons beyond their control, if thats not handled well there can be serious fallout. As a friend said to me whose child was an Olympic hopeful and who dedicated family life to get there but missed by literally a few points; whats the difference between these kids who are pretty much the same but one gets in because they woke up on the right side of the bed that day? These kids and young adults often live cloistered lives which involves endless training and special diets etc working with coaches and spending a lot of family money and if that comes to nought Im guessing that there is a lot going on that high performance organisations need to take into account more seriously. Link to post Share on other sites
lebleaux 13 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 There is that axe again Mr Boxonsmash - be careful you don't cut yourself. Oh ... and please answer my question above, just who has already "done the decent thing" and has gone from YNZ as a result of the shenanigans you describe, I am curious. Link to post Share on other sites
K4309 403 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 7 hours ago, markm said: Kind of have to pass the observation, mentions in this thread a few times of the issues at cycling and canoeing. Now firstly I'd have to admit knowing almost nothing of them, sheltered life and all that. Pretty sure though my life isn't so sheltered I couldn't help noticing cycling, canoeing and sailing all probably being in the top five for NZ for Olympic medals in the last 15-20 years. Results would seem to indicate being investigated or whatever is a prerequisite for success rather than a path to failure? Noting you admit to knowing nothing, a good first step might be googling who Olivia Podmore was. If you aren't sure why these culture and integrity investigations are needed, that should school you up fairly fast. The short story is that the coach was shagging her team mate. Team mate went 'missing' one night at a world champs so Podmore raised the alarm, fearing for the personal safety of said team mate. Coach f**king athlete was then found out by team management, cover unwittingly blown by Podmore. Coach was a tad vindicitve and sorted it so that Podmore was de-selected for the next Olympics. Amongst all that, the team psych, who Podmore was going to for help, was feeding all her private details back to vindictive coach. A fair few other issues as well. Team mates went on to win Olympic medals - so country proud and happy. Podmore killed herself. But yeah, nothing to see here. As long as we get the medals I guess it doesn't matter who we chew up and spit out. Link to post Share on other sites
boxonsmash 9 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 Very well spoken 4309. A few people on this forum need to school themselves up on what went on at both Cycling NZ and Canoe Sports NZ and then consider the similarities with what has been reported at YNZ. And then consider what the Sports Integrity Commission has been looking at for 3 months. Link to post Share on other sites
Psyche 807 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 Actually what went on at cycling nz or elsewhere has nothing to do with YNZ and spinning the Podmore tragedy into the YNZ context is a just cheap shot. While there are lessons that I hope all sporting organisations will learn to ensure the safety for our young athletes, by its very nature HP sport is going to affect some people very badly if it doesnt work out. What has been reported at YNZ? at this point it's just scuttlebutt. How about lets wait and see before conflating the corrupt behaviour by a coach and his mate in an unrelated sport with a YNZ investigation. Link to post Share on other sites
markm 32 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 My post was an observation that the sports sited as under investigation were all successful. Unstated was that this is the opposite to what would be expected. At the level the post is intended, a result which is the exact opposite to what conventional wisdom would say is, at least to me, an interesting irony. Of course, it's probably pure coincidence which I'm also aware. An interpretation it to be a comment that issues such as conflict of interest are not important is incorrect. Link to post Share on other sites
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