benny14 6 Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 The pissing competition in this thread is worse than what was the last AC debacle... Link to post Share on other sites
tuffyluffy 76 Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 I am not picking a winner for the cup, but would be suprised if the match was NOT ETNZ vs Oracle. Im 100% sure that you are 50% correct Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Well logic would suggest that ETNZ's move to a ORACLE type board/foil design is an admission that OrACLE have the set up correct. Now if, as mentioned above, ETNZ2 is foiling in lighter breezes (with this ORACLE TYPE BOARDS) then they obviously see the need to do this based on Wind Speed data for San Fran (Lighter than boat 1 is setup for). thus - Oracle are ahead of the game. Standby for the usual EE / Royale reply (with attached "need to feel secure" photo's) Both boats have gone for curved / less volume foils. Both boats are testing curved vs straight foils Foiling is easier on curved foils but slower upwind ETNZ boat 2 is more designed for the Americas Cup races that will be sailed in less wind then the LV I read somewhere that oracle are committed to their wobbly platform design and its too late to change the design. Their boat 2 hulls are already built and there is no bracing under the hull (same as boat 1) ETNZ will have 5 weeks down time when shipping to the US. During this time there is a AC45 regatta so all the other teams won't be sailing their 72s either for 2 weeks We will see. This is going to be the best cup yet!!! Link to post Share on other sites
Kiteroa 8 Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 From what I’ve been lead to believe, conceptually it’s already too late to copy the competitions ideas. Lead times are too long to produce then trial before the cup. Interestingly Dalts commented at the bbq last night that there are two specific areas of design, that he can see, where Oracle are being held back. His comment was that if they don’t change direction on these two areas, ETNZ will come out on top. That’s a big call, and to say that, they must fully understand what they’re seeing on the USA boat. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 [Oracle will be sailing their 72 during the AC45 regatta. Was it you or OC that said if TNZ did that they would be cheats and other assorted nasties? Opps silly me, it's the Americas Cup, the Lance Armstrong of yachting events. Link to post Share on other sites
Atom Ant 0 Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 The pissing competition in this thread is worse than what was the last AC debacle... +1. So it's not just me thinking that. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 The pissing competition in this thread is worse than what was the last AC debacle... +1. So it's not just me thinking that. You guys are welcome to join in more the merrier Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 The pissing competition in this thread is worse than what was the last AC debacle... +1. So it's not just me thinking that. You guys are welcome to join in more the merrier A prelude to pitch poling. http://www.sail-world.com/NZ/Americas-Cup-:-Emirates-Team-NZs-AC72---NZL5-goes-down-the-mine?/106762 and pitch poling avoidance if you have the skill like this guy. Watch the video. http://yachtpals.com/sailing-extreme-9198 Link to post Share on other sites
OYSTR 1 Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 They were just washing the bug splatter off the nose Link to post Share on other sites
1paulg 17 Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 A prelude to pitch poling. http://www.sail-world.com/NZ/Americas-Cup-:-Emirates-Team-NZs-AC72---NZL5-goes-down-the-mine?/106762 and pitch poling avoidance if you have the skill like this guy. Watch the video. http://yachtpals.com/sailing-extreme-9198 wow ..bet he dirtied his undies while doing that...v close call Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 A prelude to pitch poling. http://www.sail-world.com/NZ/Americas-Cup-:-Emirates-Team-NZs-AC72---NZL5-goes-down-the-mine?/106762 and pitch poling avoidance if you have the skill like this guy. Watch the video. http://yachtpals.com/sailing-extreme-9198 wow ..bet he dirtied his undies while doing that...v close call Nupp. It was deliberate. Announced it before doing it and got the MAG TO VIDEO IT.[ Link to post Share on other sites
Clipper 343 Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 A prelude to pitch poling. http://www.sail-world.com/NZ/Americas-Cup-:-Emirates-Team-NZs-AC72---NZL5-goes-down-the-mine?/106762 and pitch poling avoidance if you have the skill like this guy. Watch the video. http://yachtpals.com/sailing-extreme-9198 wow ..bet he dirtied his undies while doing that...v close call Nupp. It was deliberate. Announced it before doing it and got the MAG TO VIDEO IT.[ What the hell are you on about? That near pitch pole was not deliberate at all. It was day one of his round the world attempt, was it not? And i understand he did a few more that day too. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Look more closely at the video. The copper circled the boat and when it was aft and in line to photo shoot he had altered course. He then anticipates the action and you can se him actualy turns the wheel before the Catapult manuever lifts - starts, to counter the manuever. Not only during the day but all night === Right It,s called a bottom turn right way up. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 I find that really hard to believe. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 What the hell are you on about?That near pitch pole was not deliberate at all. It was day one of his round the world attempt, was it not? And i understand he did a few more that day too. Totally concur. You can clearly see the boat gets a gust and starts to lift the main hull, at which point Mr was cruising along helmsman suddenly moves bloody fast into a defensive save. He sure didn't move like someone doing a planned manoeuvre. Great boat though, I still want one. Link to post Share on other sites
banaari 27 Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Experienced ocean racer deliberately puts sponsor's $millions investment and own record attempt in jeopardy for an interesting video-bite? Can't see it, myself. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 What the hell are you on about?That near pitch pole was not deliberate at all. It was day one of his round the world attempt, was it not? And i understand he did a few more that day too. Totally concur. You can clearly see the boat gets a gust and starts to lift the main hull, at which point Mr was cruising along helmsman suddenly moves bloody fast into a defensive save. He sure didn't move like someone doing a planned manoeuvre. Great boat though, I still want one. Disagree. You can see him grab the main sheet blocks before the gust arrives, then turns and faces the chopper camera. Most helsman would remain facing dead ahead towards the bow, not turn their back on things or release a sheet. You call that a defensive save, to have the mind set to face the camera, he surely was not in a panic mode. Definately a planned move. And are you going to tell me that it was just a coincidence the chopper just happen to be there to get it all on camera. It certainly has received a lot of exposure for his sponsors. Not only a video but hard copy press on most world sailing websites. Just another coincidence you will probably say. If you don't acheive TV - Press - magazine - internet exposure the sponsors are reluctant to renew on renewal the sponsorship and he acheived all that. Excellent and skillful skills I say. Also the sponsors have paid to have the vessel rebuilt with completely new hulls and floats to the lastest new design. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 So which magazine is willing to spend many millions of dollars on a boat and doesn't have problems with crews killing themselves just for one article? Just the name of the planet it is on will be enough if you can't think up a name for a mag Feel free to answer for OC SB. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 Nice vid of OR trying (unsuccessfully) to foil. They have major issues. Hope boat 2 is better! http://www.sail-world.com/NZ/Americas-C ... sco/106816 Link to post Share on other sites
Vorpal Blade 89 Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 Nice vid of OR trying (unsuccessfully) to foil. They have major issues. Hope boat 2 is better! http://www.sail-world.com/NZ/Americas-C ... sco/106816 I like the sound track... "Stop stalling" by Derby, some of the words are quite apt too, something about crashing and being washed out to sea! Link to post Share on other sites
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