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What's with this growing prevalence with some boating people to fly a pirate flag?

I've had a bit to do with pirates in the Malacca Straits and I assure you they are not nice people.

Presumably they wouldn't wear a T-shirt emblazoned with 'I'm a thieving murdering child molesting rapist,' so why fly a flag that expresses the same sentiments? Since we are all agonising over a new national flag, really wanting it to accurately portray who we are as a people, flying a pirate flag seems decidedly odd to me. Unless of course those who do fly a pirate flag are imbued with the very qualities the flag suggests?

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Yep, a bit of an issue for me as well. I can assure anyone interested that if you have had anything at all to do with REAL pirates, the jolly roger (skull and cross bones) is a bit offensive. I have to remind myself that the people flying them know no better....

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 The Movie, Pirates of the Caribean has made the idea of being a Pirate as someone that is a free spirit and slightly rebellious toward the rules. Talk like a Pirate day only helps to make the term Pirate a bit of fun too. The entire notion of a Pirate to most, is from a time long ago. No one here in little ole NZ ever associates Pirates with the real McCoy Pirates of Mellaca sts, Somalia and elsewhere. And to be honest, although it is still Piracy, these modern day Pirates don't look anything like the kind from those days of old and thus I think that is yet another reason why they don't associate the two.

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My pet hate is people that hate pets.

 

Do we still take pirates flags seriously?

 

Surely its a great thing!...as it identifies the idiots in our society.

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So whom would you behead Chrisc??

 

Apart from people flying pirate flags..........................

So whom would you behead Chrisc??

 

Apart from people flying pirate flags..........................

Well, my boss has been irritating me a little..

Should I behead him, or make him walk the plank?

Same outcome - but is one more acceptable than the other because its done under a different flag?

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What's with this growing prevalence with some boating people to fly a pirate flag?

I've had a bit to do with pirates in the Malacca Straits and I assure you they are not nice people.

 

 

Do the Pirates in the Malacca Straights even go around flying a skull and crossbones these days? Their tactics have changed with the advent of 250hp Yamaha outboards and radar etc. and most real pirates don't run around advertising it...

 

We fly it from time to time when there are small kids on board and they get a kick out of it.

 

For the annual boys Barrier fishing week we don't bother, we all wear camo, shoot clays from the foredeck in the mornings, drink a lot from lunchtime and that generally keeps most people away.

 

Would the addition of a pirate flag be additionally intimidating...I think not, it kinda lacks credibility these days.

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Builders pencils.

 

The used to be so good but now that have been 'new and improved' they are less use to mark things with than a firm turd.

 

I don't fecking want 1000 of them for $1.49, I'll happily pay $5 each if I could find some that aren't worse than sh*t!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Any chippies out there got any leads on where to score good ones from?

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You are quite right, no one flies the flag in anger these days.

My initial post was a little tongue in cheek and I confess to an ulterior motive for it, but, I have a strong dislike for the pirate flag for the reasons stated in my OP. I find the flag to be offensive and intimidating which is of course exactly what it was designed to be. If you are a bunch of seafaring cutthroats about to lay siege to another vessel then you want an emblem that engenders terror in your victim. A flag with a couple of harp playing cherubs on it just won't do.

I think Pork Chop is a little ingenuous with his Peter Pan analogy. I enjoy a good detective/murder novel but that doesn't mean I want a tear tattooed on my cheek.

If the symbolism behind a flag means nothing then I pose again my (unanswered) question - since both flags are symbolic of murder, mayhem and avarice, is it OK to fly the ISIS flag from the spreaders instead of the Jolly Roger if you should unnaccountably feel like it?

If not, why not?

And what about the swastika?

This symbol has been known and loved for millennia and is synonymous with good fortune or well being. Prior to being hijacked by the Nazis for a few brief years it was revered by all cultures as a good and positive emblem.

Now there's a good flag to fly, but I bet you wouldn't..

So, clearly flag symbolism is alive and well, but apparently acceptable in one flag but not in others.

Enlighten me.

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Just the sort of responses I expected I guess.

No. the pirates I have encountered did not fly flags, and pretended to be fishermen as long as possible. Pretty much the same as in the old time displaying false colours until the last moment before conflict.

I agree with Chris C. If the jolly roger is not offensive, then why not ISIS/ISIL or the swastika? They are just flags as well... 

But I bet you would get a response if you flew one! - even if YOU think it's just a joke, others may take offense.

 

I also agree that most people flying them (Jolly Rogers)  have not really stopped to think about what it meant.

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I find it offensive so many get offended over nothing. Like the flag for example, who cares if someone flys a Jolly Roger, just do it and have fun it that floats ya boat. If someone gets offended as their great great great great Uncle but rogered by Billy the one testicled pirate so what, sh*t happened and will continue to do so. My ancestors got eaten by my Wa's ancestors, it happened, it stopped, life moves on. Spend to long being bitter and twisted about sh*t you can't change you may as well change your Crew moniker to Rehabilitated II.

 

 

This flag will offend many but it will only offend those who are stupid, shallow of thought and do so for reasons they have got terribly wrong.

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Quite right! As I mentioned earlier the swastika is a symbol of well being and good intent, and I look forward to seeing it fluttering at your masthead.

 

I don't like the pirate flag, and that is my prerogative. You don't like the current crop of crappy carpenters pencils, and that's your perogative. I agree with that too, but solved that issue ( for me anyway) some time ago.

 

And, of course people can fly whatever flag they wish. I am trying to understand the rationale behind Jolly Roger vs Isil flags. OK vs not OK, otherwise known as a required paper, The Differentiation of Ancient Symbolism in the Modern World, otherwise known as an overdue assignment.

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