How to Fix the Hauraki Gulf

[Kevin McCready 83]

Simple. I've been doing it. Anyone else?

https://www.nzgeo.com/stories/how-to-fix-the-hauraki-gulf/

[Steve Pope 253]

8 minutes ago, Kevin McCready said:

Simple. I've been doing it. Anyone else?

https://www.nzgeo.com/stories/how-to-fix-the-hauraki-gulf/

No argument with any of that.

[Dtwo 157]

Agree.  But how do you combat the fishing lobby when they are so invested in the National Party.  We need a hero.

[Deep Purple 530]

Bollocks. Winston Peters left the national party decades ago. He is donkey deep into the fishing industry

[harrytom 697]

7 minutes ago, Deep Purple said:

Bollocks. Winston Peters left the national party decades ago. He is donkey deep into the fishing industry

Shane Porno Jones as well

Ban the bottom trawler. Long lining is the best practice.

[marinheiro 365]

8 hours ago, Deep Purple said:

Bollocks. Winston Peters left the national party decades ago. He is donkey deep into the fishing industry

The fishing industry has both bases covered, on the one side they have Winston in their pocket and on the other hand National

 president Peter Goodfellow's family is the major shareholder in  Sanfords

[Black Panther 1,767]

I just spent 5 weeks in the gulf when effectively no one else was there. It was amazing how the ecosystem tried to bounce back.  Birds and fish everywhere. 

I'd say this guy doesn't go far enough. 

[ScottiE 174]

I'm always sceptical of any opinion piece when the author begins with the premise "while science is clear".  The piece is full of emotive and anecdotal comment and not a single independent reference, scientific or otherwise.

but ya know - feeelzzzzz!

[Fogg 427]

Stopped fishing couple of seasons ago. Read a book or go swimming instead. I know people who basically fill their day fishing in one spot or another taking pride in a photo of a bucket load of fish t at the end of the day. Totally unnecessary. Admittedly I don’t know exact numbers of private vs commercial catch but why don’t they turn the mantra “just catch what you can eat” into law by limiting the catch to 1 fish per person per day - that’s an obvious way to match catch with appetite. Yes I know, that’s totally unthinkable to the fishing addicts and fishing lobby.

But so was a 4 week lockdown 4 weeks ago.

[Wayne-o 12]

1 hour ago, ScottiE said:

I'm always sceptical of any opinion piece when the author begins with the premise "while science is clear".  The piece is full of emotive and anecdotal comment and not a single independent reference, scientific or otherwise.

but ya know - feeelzzzzz!

There's some pretty clear data in it, per the graphs.  Are you suggesting you think he made it up, or you want footnotes for every bit?  If the former, have a look at the data and go underwater with a mask on - it sure seems right.  If the latter, this is a magazine article not a peer-reviewed scientific journal and it's normal not to footnote it up the wazoo.  You won't get much COVID news read if you reject all graphs unless they're closely footnoted.

I think he's right to say the science is clear.  But hey, read the science and you'll know!

[ScottiE 174]

"look up the science" eh? I would if the author had referened any of "it".  Instead he's just plagerised "the science" with not even an acknowledgement of source.  Forgive me for being sceptical of such a lack of professionalism.  Being a magazine does not excuse this behaviour.  Instead this behaviour just reinforces a lack of credibility. But hey that's just my opinion - if you like this kind of reading good for you.

As for voicing my scepticism of Mike Hosking on line - ya got me!  However I don't listen or read him unless asked to by a friend, becasue, well I'm sceptical of him too.  To his credit though, at least he does refer to others when stating his opinion - perhaps Mr. Frankham could learn something!

 

[Black Panther 1,767]

Putting aside your possibly correct criticism of this particular article, do you think the gulf and its ecosystems are in good health?

[Wayne-o 12]

You'd best read no COVID news Scottie - magazines and news outlets are breaching your professional standards rampantly, publishing graphs without footnoting the source. 

This is pretty normal journalism where the data is of the well-publicised official and settled kind.  Googling something like "state of the hauraki gulf 2020" will get you plenty about this report: https://www.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz/about-auckland-council/how-auckland-council-works/harbour-forums/docsstateofgulf/state-gulf-full-report.pdf which is in the same category.

This comprehensive unrebutted report was well covered when it came out.  Perhaps the author just assumed that anybody in NZ who cared at all about the state of the gulf might know this and that he's not writing for the totally uninformed.  

If you know of any credible science that undermines the above, I'd be interested to see it.    

[ScottiE 174]

Wayne-o - why did you edit your post after I responded to it? 

[ScottiE 174]

1 hour ago, Black Panther said:

Putting aside your possibly correct criticism of this particular article, do you think the gulf and its ecosystems are in good health?

It really depends on what you mean by "good health".  But in general terms there are parts of the gulf that are not particularly "healthy".  Understanding how quickly ecosystems adjust is intriging - I've watched this part of the river change quite a bit over the last 15-20 years.

 

[Wayne-o 12]

13 minutes ago, ScottiE said:

Wayne-o - why did you edit your post after I responded to it? 

I did it before you responded to it, or at least I started editing it before your response was showing.  Thought it risked seeming rude so dialled it back. 

[ScottiE 174]

11 minutes ago, Wayne-o said:

I did it before you responded to it, or at least I started editing it before your response was showing.  Thought it risked seeming rude so dialled it back. 

fair enough

33 minutes ago, Wayne-o said:

You'd best read no COVID news Scottie - magazines and news outlets are breaching your professional standards rampantly, publishing graphs without footnoting the source. 

This is pretty normal journalism where the data is of the well-publicised official and settled kind.  Googling something like "state of the hauraki gulf 2020" will get you plenty about this report: https://www.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz/about-auckland-council/how-auckland-council-works/harbour-forums/docsstateofgulf/state-gulf-full-report.pdf which is in the same category.

This comprehensive unrebutted report was well covered when it came out.  Perhaps the author just assumed that anybody in NZ who cared at all about the state of the gulf might know this and that he's not writing for the totally uninformed.  

If you know of any credible science that undermines the above, I'd be interested to see it.    

and this?

[Wayne-o 12]

the edit to the second one?  I put the wrong link in the first time, only edit was the correct link.  doing two things at once.  

Did you read the report?

[bigal.nz 61]

I am very concerned at the health of the Gulf. To try to do my bit, whenever we walk along the beach the kids pick up plastic, and when we are on the boat we turn around to fish plastic (normally bait bags) out of the water - gives the kids good practice with the boat hook!

On the land side of things it is heartening to see that now there are good Kiwi numbers on Motuhie, Motutapu, Rotoroa, Tiri, Kawau, Motuora, Little Barrier. I was on Motuhie recently watching the kiwi and Tuatara while looking at the sky tower. Awsome - wish we could fix below the surface as easily.

 

[Black Panther 1,767]

One thing that bugs me i( among many) is the sediment coming down the river from development further upstream. Only a matter of time till our beaches are mud banks over run with mangroves.