Tiller side handle.

[Norwester 3]

Has anyone seen the tiller handles they are using on the euro jpk 1080.They seem to be a separate product from the tiller and adjustable side to side. Great looking piece of equipment.

[CarpeDiem 510]

Spinlock tiller extension. They come in different colours and lengths, with and without handles. 

Not cheap but exceptionally good and long lasting. Easily removable for storage. 

https://www.spinlock.co.uk/en-GB/uk/categories/tiller-extensions

We have an old battered and dented one. Still works as good as a new one... 

[TCat 3]

we have been using the spinlock extension for ages, and recently added the “short handed” option which has a different connector but you can swap between them. The short handed is great - sailing short handed you let go of the extension and it stands vertical from the tiller so it’s well out of the way and ensures never gets in the way of autopilot steering. 

[Norwester 3]

I have the spinlock extension but this one I saw on the JPK 1080 was an actual handle attached to the tiller and adjustable and removable. It looked to be designed for short handed racing.

[Jon 391]

It’s not true, shorthanded sailors don’t have short arms !

[Shimmer 43]

I zoomed that up to check out the tiller, have you seen how much rope or growth there is on that prop?

sis this a spin lock accessory that connects to your tiller to give hand grip options when steering from the tiller rather than the extension?

If so I think I want one

[CarpeDiem 510]

11 hours ago, Norwester said:

I have the spinlock extension but this one I saw on the JPK 1080 was an actual handle attached to the tiller and adjustable and removable. It looked to be designed for short handed racing.

Like this? I don't know what those handles are called or who makes them, this one is a custom cf tiller.  They aren't on all JPKs.  Maybe an optional extra? 

[Norwester 3]

That's the one I saw. I have tried googling every name possible but no luck yet.

[Jon 391]

15 hours ago, Shimmer said:

I zoomed that up to check out the tiller, have you seen how much rope or growth there is on that prop?

sis this a spin lock accessory that connects to your tiller to give hand grip options when steering from the tiller rather than the extension?

If so I think I want one

Not sure if a Townson has enough room in the cockpit, but maybe that instead of a tiller extension 

[Zozza 323]

14 hours ago, CarpeDiem said:

Like this? I don't know what those handles are called or who makes them, this one is a custom cf tiller.  They aren't on all JPKs.  Maybe an optional extra? 

The actual tiller in that pic, who can make those in Auckland?   and,  -- is it just as simple of giving them my wooden tiller and say "make me an exact copy in carbon"....?

Edit: LOL a google search after I posted popped up with my answer... goggle never ceases to amaze:
https://www.c-tech.co.nz/products/tiller-arms-extensions

[Shimmer 43]

2 hours ago, Jon said:

Not sure if a Townson has enough room in the cockpit, but maybe that instead of a tiller extension 

Yep I think you are right however it’s got me thinking about making a custom handle end for my tiller a bit like the one on the sunfast that Josh used to sail.

[Jon 391]

11 minutes ago, Shimmer said:

Yep I think you are right however it’s got me thinking about making a custom handle end for my tiller a bit like the one on the sunfast that Josh used to sail.

Yes they give lots of options to hold when hoisting, dropping or trimming, even if it’s just wedging your leg against it.

One upgrade for RNI that everyone says was the best thing  they did  is a really good autopilot (not saying you don’t have one now)

[Shimmer 43]

Yeah thats the big one the auto helm set up.

Im currently running the Raymarine evolution 100 system which isn't bad, I like the gyro compass (we helm off that over the magnetic compass at night its really good)

I think the part of the equation that lets it down is the speed of the tiller ram. sadly most of the faster more powerful options I have seen are only for connection to a quadrant which isn't an option on my boat.

I have just imported an American liner actuator tiller arm made by Pelagic and Aaron from Beacon thinks he can get it operating from my ray marine ACU.

I'll let you know how that goes. What did you run on the Beale?

[Jon 391]

ST 6000 with gyro compass course computer which was great could helm almost as good as a concentrating helmsman, but it could do it for days.

Weak point was the RM linear drive, but we got good at replacing the drive belt. In the 2012 RNZ we stripped the gears not long after rounding the top. Then hand steered for 2.5 days, firstly 4 hours on 4 off, which became 1 hour on 45mins rest. Then the weather bomb hits, 15m waves but that made us decide to head into Golden Bay, order new gears from LB and got a group of friends to deliver all the way to Tarakohe Marina. 5min job to replace but had to dive upside down through the cockpit floor hatch and through another opening to remove linear drive. Getting in was different but wiggling back out was near on impossible.

[Island Time 1,284]

Jon, that RM drive has the plastic gears, right? You can always have metal replacements made. 

I've done a few tiller system APs for offshore or race boats. The ram/drive is always the issue, along with rudder angle sensor.  Some are only interested in performance,  not asthetics. They are not too hard - electric motor below deck, SS hydraulic ram above, with tiller pin and retaining clip for tiller end of drive. Solenoid to engage/disengage from AP Controller,  or  to remove ram, pull pin on tiller slip & off drive. They work well, but you can see the drive, and it's permanently in the cockpit. 

Cable drives can also be used ( like the  B&G SD10), but depends on cockpit configuration, (same with DD15 drive) and the end of the cable (rod on dd15) is always visible in the cockpit. 

Both these units can use any AP computer, from the NAC 2/3 mid range to the H5000 pilot from B&G, or RM equivalents. 

This type of setup will give you a pilot the equivalent of a quadrant connected pilot that will steer in any conditions, is extremely reliable, and, if specified and installed/configured correctly, can be better than 95% of helmsmen.

Otherwise it's tillerpilots, which are ok, but not really designed for offshore boats, and not as robust.

[Shimmer 43]

Hey Island Time

could I book you in to come and look at my set up and spec what you think we could do to improve it?

I'm in Hobsonville which I realise isn't really your neck of the woods but happy to pay you for the time

Like I said Ive brought in a pelagic arm but apart from a slightly larger motor and metal gears Im not sure it will really do what I'm after

My company is booked shortly to build the base and bracket for Beacon to fit a hydraulic ram on a 14m yacht at Bayswater which looks like a nice unit, they sourced it from Lustys but again its designed for below deck install connected to quadrant, its an after market unit but it talks to the Raymarine ACU

[Jon 391]

I T that was 10 years and a boat ago, but just meaning any system is only as good as it’s weakest point, metal gears would have been great.

Offshore shorthanded sailing is all about man/woman management, we alway ran longer watches than most and it showed in results as the legs progressed

Everyone can push hard for the first 150nm but backing that up 20hrs later with a leg 3 times longer, then, if your lucky 48hr stop and then 200nm. And your still only then in Napier.

If your able to sneak below and grab a drink, put a pizza in the oven/boil the water for freeze dry or just grab an apple so when it’s shift change you can have a sail change ready to go etc. All this means if your off watch you actually rest.

‘If you get less than 6 hours sleep combined over 24 hours for more than two days, you won’t realise it but your as impaired as being drunk

[ynot 52]

15 minutes ago, Jon said:

 

‘If you get less than 6 hours sleep combined over 24 hours for more than two days, you won’t realise it but your as impaired as being drunk

Wonder what hours the imoca guys sleep for. 

Betcha it's not more than six hours.... Which must make them a danger. 

[Jon 391]

12 hours ago, ynot said:

Wonder what hours the imoca guys sleep for. 

Betcha it's not more than six hours.... Which must make them a danger. 

Lots of 15 or 20min sleeps I believe 

Listened to a sleep specialist on RNZ recently and sleep is something you can’t starve yourself of, eventually it just takes over

(I’ve woken up on watch before and I’d suggest anyone who says they haven’t hasn’t been there)