Battgirl 23 Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Radio report this morning says there is a plan currently going through the Auckland City Council to extend the container port a further 250 metres out into the harbour without being offered for public debate. Anyone know anything about it? Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crafty 1 Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Radio report this morning says there is a plan currently going through the Auckland City Council to extend the container port a further 250 metres out into the harbour without being offered for public debate.Anyone know anything about it? Yip part of the Councils Plan for port expansion. (800 pages) Looks like my prediction was right and all Auckland yachties will have to buddy up downtown with the other protestors and occupy as brothers on arms make sure you dress up smartly!... no jeans and dockies.... or you might be judged! Link to post Share on other sites
Steve Pope 243 Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 AH! the joys of a "SuperCity", consultation! whats that?? Link to post Share on other sites
SloopJohnB 322 Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 You could say its been in the wind for many of years. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 So according to that other thread the port is hopelessly inefficient, now it isn't big enough. Time to shut it down and move it? Marsden Point or Tauranga? No great loss for the people of Auckland as we still own the land which can now be redeveolped into something better. Link to post Share on other sites
Murky 1 Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Always dangerous to leap to conclusions but it is...interesting that they would be offside with so many people, and dismissive of those that have a different opinion, at one time. They are either a bit unlucky, or do not have the skill of bringing people on board with their future plans. Link to post Share on other sites
floatsome 0 Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Xtra were running this story this morning with people being offered to comment. Not surprisingly, the comments were all negative, but I now note that the blog has been pulled. Censorship I guess, but obviously the city fathers are very sensitive and are trying to close this down. I stand corrected, its been returned. Teach me to jump to conclusions Murky! Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 This just arrived in my email , I see Penny Whitings name at the bottom Greetings Ports of Auckland plans to add the equivalent of 16 Eden Park #1 fields to its container wharves – if this vast expansion is allowed, it will dominate our harbour and our waterfront will be altered forever. A publicity campaign titled “Your Port, Your Call” kicks off today (Jan. 26) urging Aucklanders to find out more about the “extraordinary” plans by the port to expand its operations. You have probably seen the Herald’s front page story today (http://www.nzherald.co.nz). Attached is a copy of the media kit that is being circulated widely among media, key influencers, boating groups and supporters. We urge you pass on this information to your friends, relatives, members and other contacts. Please also visit http://www.facebook.com/yourportyourcall and ‘Like’ the page, leave a comment, read more about the plans and see the video. The more ‘likes’ we get the bigger the noise. You can also follow us on Twitter at http://www.twitter.com/yrportyrcall, or use the hashtag #rethinktheport. All we want is for Auckland Council to take a closer look at the port’s plans – there are other options. If Ports of Auckland gets council sign off for its extraordinary expansion plans it will be very hard to then make any changes. Have your say now by visiting the Facebook page. Thank you for your support. Pead PR For Auckland Heart of the City Here’s the release: http://www.facebook.com/yourportyourcall Media release port – 1 January 26, 2012 THEY’RE SHRINKING OUR HARBOUR More containers, bigger ships, less water Ports of Auckland plans to add the equivalent of 16 Eden Park #1 fields to its container wharves – and most of the new space juts out in to the Waitemata harbour. A publicity campaign titled “Your Port, Your Call” kicks off today (Jan. 26) urging Aucklanders to find out more about the “extraordinary” plans by the port to expand its operations. The port’s plans, which are buried in technical documents supporting the Auckland Draft Waterfront Plan, have been graphically represented in the campaign to show the impact they will have on the harbour. The pictures demonstrate how Ports of Auckland wants to grow container wharf space by adding 267,000 sq. m. in area to its wharves - with an associated 400 per cent increase in container traffic. Ports of Auckland has supplied one visual of the proposed expansion for the council’s consideration. But the information does nothing to show the extent of the company’s intentions a lobby group says. Once the expansion is consented the ability to overturn the consent can be extremely difficult and expensive. A wide range of supporters have set up a Facebook page[1] under the banner “Your Port, Your Call”. They are asking New Zealanders to ‘like’ the page to show their support for closer examination of the port’s plans. It’s their strongly held view that Aucklanders – and New Zealanders – deserve to know the facts -. it’s their port, so it’s their call they say. The container wharves are to be consolidated and will extend far out in to the Waitemata Harbour. To compensate the city, Ports of Auckland is offering to sell Aucklanders Captain Cook wharf; provided consent is given for the extension. “This is a joke,” says Alex Swney of Heart of the City, “when you can fit 16 or so Captain Cook wharves into the area the port plans to expand on. “We’re not opposed to the port increasing its business but we are opposed to the expansion plans as currently proposed. To make matters more complicated, the Auckland Council owns the port company and is also the governing body that must approve the port’s plans. “We are simply asking citizens to take notice and ask themselves if this is what they want for their harbour and waterfront,” Mr Swney says. Deputy chairman of the Westhaven marina users association, Barry Holton, says he was “shocked” when he learned of the port’s plans in late December. “We’re completely opposed to the plans. They will significantly narrow the entrance to the harbour and will affect tidal flows and wind patterns. I can’t believe we’ve never seen these plans before; they’re conspicuously absent from the waterfront plan and city centre masterplans. They will have a grave effect on the harbour,” Mr Holton says. Graeme Scott of the Urban Design Forum said he also viewed the plans with “considerable concern”. “I think the port has filled in enough of the harbour already. Where do you draw the line?” The Auckland Council’s waterfront plan claims “the port will continue to develop largely on its current footprint”. “Perhaps the accent should be on the word ‘largely’,” Alex Swney says, “because the plans we have uncovered on the port’s own website tell a different story. When Council has gone to such extraordinary lengths to produce such comprehensive plans one can only speculate as to why they have not provided the same level of detail around the proposed ports expansion. “The harbour is a jewel in Auckland’s crown – we all know that,” Mr Swney says. “It’s our playground as well as a commercial pathway. We all share a responsibility to enhance and protect our natural assets and pass them on as best we can to future generations. “While the port’s plans are important for the ports and the role they play in our trading success, they also have a wider responsibility that needs to acknowledge what so many Aucklanders hold dear to their hearts – access to the waterfront; recreational use of the harbour; views of the harbour from the city and Parnell and city views from the North Shore. “We cannot allow this unbridled expansion of the port to go ahead without Aucklanders having a say on one of its precious assets. “All YPYC asks is that council act as much for the port as it does as trustees and good guardians of our city. Council should be demanding of the port a wider range of options that protect the commercial viability of our port while also restricting this grotesque expansion into one of the world’s most beautiful city harbours. “We would like an independent review that explores the range of options available for ports efficiency in the North Island,” Mr Swney says. Public submissions on the draft Auckland waterfront plan closed on 31 October however the council is due to consider the plan in February with a final vote in late March. • To find out more and to have your say about the Ports of Auckland plans go to http://www.facebook.com/yourportyourcall and ‘Like’ the page, leave a comment, read more about the plans and see the video. NOTE TO EDITORS: Hi-res before and after images are available on application to Greg Hay, Pead PR, Tel: 0-9-918 5576 or email: gregh@peadpr.co.nz ends Issued for Heart of the City by Pead PR Contact: Greg Hay, Pead PR, Tel: 0-9-918 5576, Mob: 021-545 054, email: gregh@peadpr.co.nz Your Port Your Call: Supporters Penny Whiting MBE – Sailing Coach, former Auckland City Councillor Adam Mercer – Auckland Architects Association Graeme Scott – Urban Design Forum Harry Holton – Westhaven marina Users Group Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Port Project – Your Port/Your Call q&as - 1 Q&As Where did the information about the port expansion come from? The port expansion plans are found in technical documents supporting the Waterfront Draft Plan. They are also published in the Ports of Auckland (POAL) Port Development Plan and on their website. Where did the before and after images of the port come from? What information are they based on? The images are produced by a commercial company experienced in producing accurate landscape simulations. How can you be sure the images are an accurate reflection of what expansion changes will look like? The images are to a consentable quality. They are scaled off the port’s own plans. What is council’s involvement in the expansion plans? The Auckland Council owns Ports of Auckland and is also the governing body that must approve the port’s plans. Once they pass the plans contained in the Auckland Draft Plan, a case can be made that they have been consulted on so subsequently it is difficult to have them modified. Why is there no mention of the POAL expansion plans in the Draft Waterfront Plan (part of the greater Draft Auckland Plan) No-one is quite sure…we asked that question too. We assume POAL will claim the single image contained within the City Centre masterplan (p 177) and the Auckland Waterfront plan spell out the expansion. This is despite the fact the plan claims that “the Port will continue to develop largely on its current footprint” (p13). What can I do to voice my opinion on the plans? Unfortunately, public submissions on the Draft Plan closed on 31 October 2011. There is a Facebook page at ( http://www.facebook.com/yourportyourcall ) where your opinion can be heard. ‘Like’ the page to show you support a re-think on the port’s expansion and share it with others you think should be informed. You can also write to Mayor Brown and Ports of Auckland chair Richard Pearson and copy the NZ Herald and your local paper. The New Zealand Herald is also running a feedback forum on its website http://www.nzherald.co.nz Council is currently considering the submissions to this plan prior to adopting it at the end of March and we do know from past experience that a vocal public response is effective in changing the direction of these plans – it is late, but it’s not too late! When is the port expansion happening? The council votes to approve the draft plan in late March. Construction of the expansion would be a long term process that could go on for 30 years or more. Once the expansion is consented the port is legislatively protected and entitled to proceed with the expansion. The ability to overturn the consent is extremely difficult and expensive. What is the council approval process? The Auckland Council owns POAL and is also the body that must approve the port’s plans. The council goes in to closed-door meetings to discuss the plan in February. Councillors vote on the district plan in late March and if it’s approved in principle, the port’s plans will be very difficult to stop. What authority does Ports of Auckland have to do this? The Port has gained a designation called PMA1 for this expansion programme. A designation is a precursor to gaining a resource consent. There are many similar designations across Auckland for large infrastructure projects that protect areas for potential development. Typically they are for mortorways and rail tracks but in most cases they are just that – protection – this does not mean the city needs to exercise the right to develop them. Once designated, POAL then needs its plans approved by council – which itself owns the company - and that’s why it’s important for Auckland citizens to make their voices heard. How much new space do they want? If approved by council, the container terminal will be greatly increased in size – so much so there will be a 400 per cent increase in container traffic - from the existing 890,000 containers p.a. to 3.5 million p.a. The size equates to 267,000 sq m or 16 x the size of Eden Park. Will a port expansion mean bigger ships in the harbour? Yes. The largest container vessels that use the Auckland Port carry 4,100 containers. The new generation of container vessels due to arrive in Auckland will carry 7,000 containers. They are 320 metres long. The larger cranes required to service them are 96 metres tall (more than 25 storeys high). They can only be berthed at high tide but there will need to be some dredging at the port’s edge so they can remain berthed at low tide. Surely increased traffic and business is good for the city? No one is opposed to increased business but Heart of the City and others are opposed to the port expansion as it is currently proposed. There are substantial corollary implications for Auckland e.g. the greater demand for container traffic on our roads and rail. Note that within the port’s plan it has made the case for tax- and ratepayer funded road and rail infrastructure ‘terminating at the Port’ currently estimated at $1.7 billion. We also believe that some 30% of the existing containers landed at the port are transhipments which could be readily handled by another North Island port rather than on a CBD waterfront. Why haven’t we heard about this before? That’s a question better asked of both the council and the port company. While the Draft Auckland Plan has plenty of glossy pictures showing planned future development for the city, for some reason there is no real detail about the port’s expansion plans. You can see the wharves are bigger but there is no mention of expansion plans in any of the accompanying captions. What has this got to do with the current waterfront strikes? Ports management has confirmed that is it gearing for growth – and that growth will be reliant at least in part on the port pushing through its expansion plans. The current labour situation is a short term issue and most people anticipate it will be resolved this year by the ports management and the union. But the expansion plans are a long term issue with wide ranging corollary implications for the shape of our waterfront and traffic to and from the port – the expansion plans are an issue of trusteeship of the Port AND of our waterfront and city which is why the decisions here need to be made by council. How much will the expansion cost Auckland ratepayers? We simply don’t know at this stage. Note that within the port’s plan it has made the case for tax- and ratepayer funded road and rail infrastructure ‘terminating at the Port’ currently estimated at $1.7 billion. What’s Mayor Brown’s position on this? We understand the mayor supports the district plan in general and can only assume he must also be aware of the port’s growth plans. But specifically we have not been able to get a firm answer as to whether or not he supports the port’s expansion plans. How long is the development going to take? Work could go on for 30 years or more. Do you want your waterfront to be crammed with containers, construction trucks and roading restrictions for the next 30 years? Especially when some experts maintain the expansion of container traffic can be easily accommodated between Northland, Auckland and Bay of Plenty ports. Why does the port company need all this new space? That’s a question for the port company. There is some information here http://tinyurl.com/7c68f9b and here http://tinyurl.com/7tau6zw but there is little mention of the extent of the expansion. Certainly, there are no images illustrating the extraordinary expansion into the Waitemata Harbour. It’s clearly not in the port’s interest to show Aucklanders how expansion will substantially change the visual landscape of their city. Where can I find out more about what the ports have planned? In all the documents associated with the council’s Auckland plan there appears to be only one that shows some of the expansion and even on that plan there is no mention that the company wants to expands its wharves so dramatically. The POAL website does however show the expansion plans in a document titled Port Development Plan 2008. Why are you objecting to the port’s plans? The harbour is a jewel in Auckland’s crown. It’s our playground. We all share a responsibility to enhance and protect our natural assets and pass them on as best as we can to future generations. We are not owners of the land – we are custodians of it for generations to come. Aucklanders deserve to have a say on one of its precious assets. The plans run roughshod over so many principles Aucklanders hold dear to their hearts – access to the waterfront; recreational use of the harbour; views of the harbour from the city and Parnell and city views from the North Shore. The spotlight needs to go on what the port is trying to do so that Aucklanders are fully informed and can have their say on port expansion - before it’s too late. Are you opposed to all Port development? No - the port is a valuable part of the Auckland and NZ economy and no-one is interested in standing in the way of progress. But the council has only been presented one expansion plan, which will have a significant impact on waterfront access, infrastructure development and how Aucklanders and visitors view our harbour. We believe the council needs to be presented with more options which is why it should NOT approve the container wharf plans. An independent review will provide Aucklanders with a range of options for ports efficiency in the North Island. • To find out more and to have your say about the Ports of Auckland plans go to http://www.facebook.com/youportyourcall and ‘Like’ the page, leave a comment, read more about the plans and see the video. ends Issued for Heart of the City by Pead PR Contact: Greg Hay, Pead PR, Tel: 0-9-918 5576, Mob: 021-545 054, email: gregh@peadpr.co.nz Media backgrounder plans – 1 January 26, 2012 MEDIA BACKGROUNDER What is going on with Auckland’s waterfront? The Ports of Auckland’s expansion plans have been in the public domain for more than a year but unless you know what you’re looking for, they’re hard to find and recognise. While the Draft City Centre Masterplan has many glossy photos showing potential new developments in the city, there’s nothing about the Port’s expansion plans. Plans to expand the container wharves have been around since 1989 when the port company and regional authorities agreed on setting aside an area of harbour for port use. This has been granted resource consent. The first step in the process for gaining approval to proceed with this expansion is that the current Auckland Plan receives Council support. Council workshops discussing the plan begin next week. The port has worked in conjunction with Waterfront Auckland, which is a council entity, to develop what it wants to do. The Draft Waterfront Plan talks about ensuring “that Auckland makes the most of the opportunities afforded by the waterfront, the superb natural setting and sparkling Waitemata Harbour, as the heart of New Zealand’s global city”. The Mayor’s vision is to make Auckland the “world’s most liveable city”. Leading Aucklanders say the expansion proposed in the plans seems inconsistent with this philosophy. Waterfront Auckland has what it calls a ‘working waterfront’ as one of its four goals for the harbour edge. The image below mentions many exciting projects but there is no mention of a port expansion and the image certainly doesn’t show what a ‘working waterfront’ might look like in 30 years’ time. Action 1: Develop/enhance Westhaven as the Pacific’s premier marina destination Action 2: Preserve and expand the marine and super yacht industry at Wynyard Quarter Action 3: Enhance the existing Fishing Village on Jellicoe Street as the focul point for the fishing industry Action 4: Develop the central wharves as ther city’s gateway for cruise operations Action 5: Integrate the connection/relationship between the Port and the city and improve port efficiency It is interesting to note also that the port has said it will sell Captain Cook Wharf back to Auckland so it can be developed for public use. Remember, the port is 100% owned by the Auckland Council…i.e. the ratepayers. However, the release of Captain Cook wharf is conditional upon gaining consent for the future extension of Bledisloe wharf. While resource consents have yet to be obtained, the approval of the plan in its current form is the first step to approving these expansion plans. It is also dependent on the construction of replacement storage facilities for customers who are currently serviced at Captain Cook, most notably a five storey carpark to service the imported car industry. So…Auckland gets Captain Cook wharf and the port gets a bigger Bledisloe which equates to a land area around 16 times larger. The council votes on the plans in late March. It’s not too late to make your opinions heard. Public submissions on the draft Auckland waterfront plan closed on 31 October however the council is due to consider the plan in February with a final vote in late March. • To find out more and to have your say about the Ports of Auckland plans go to www.facebook.com/yourportyourcall and ‘Like’ the page, leave a comment, read more about the plans and see the video. ends Issued for Heart of the City by Pead PR Contact: Greg Hay, Pead PR, Tel: 0-9-918 5576, Mob: 021-545 054, email: gregh@peadpr.co.nz Link to post Share on other sites
Chewing Gum 17 Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/artic ... d=10781222 44% in favour on Herald site !! Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crafty 1 Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 So???... Why Can't the delvelop east of the port rather than North. East is in "easier water" to build but would require more dredgeing!. North is plain stupid and makes the port an even more over bearing eye sore! West would be better and get rid of those stupid Rugby thingies. What about a new port?.... Say tauranga? Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 So according to that other thread the port is hopelessly inefficient, now it isn't big enough. Time to shut it down and move it? Marsden Point or Tauranga? No great loss for the people of Auckland as we still own the land which can now be redeveolped into something better. The problem with you lefties is you never listen. no one accused the ports of being hoplessly inefficient! we all said it needs to be more efficient than it currently is. Stop hearing what you want and look and listen to the big picture. As for the extension I am a little undecided about it. It intrigues me how the artist has put a maersk ship at the dock when they are out any way. I do however agree the port needs to expand to cater for the ever increasing size of the ships that visit and for the fact that if NZ is ever likely to come out of this economic downturn it has to be export driven so we need to be able to export our goods in a cost effective efficient manor. (that was for you squid) Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Send it - I refer you to the little devil thingamyjig at the end of my post. Point still stands, would it be more efficient to get it out of downtown Ak? Maybe now is the time to look at it. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 More from Penny and friends Good afternoon Is some of the most valuable real estate in Auckland best used as a parking lot for containers that are on their way to somewhere else? Campaigners supporting Your Port, Your Call think not. Attached and reproduced below is a media release that highlights the container “arms race” developing in New Zealand – and why it’s not a war that Auckland needs to win. Best regards. Here is the release: www.facebook.com/yourportyourcall Media release port – 1 January 26, 2012 Ports of Auckland: Container Parking Lot? Radical plans to expand the Ports of Auckland wharves far out into the Waitemata Harbour will be in large part simply to provide extra parking for containers. Last year the port’s throughput was 894,383 containers but it is estimated that anywhere between 25 to 40 per cent of them were trans-shipments - meaning around 350,000 big metal boxes never actually left the port by road. Trans-shipments are containers that are either empty and simply stored at the wharf or contain cargo that is destined for another port on another ship. “Simply put this means a large part of the port is used as a parking lot for containers,” says Heart of the City CEO Alex Swney. “So essentially we will be trading our waterfront for more containers.” The ports expansion plans would provide for a 400 per cent increase in container traffic. “These trans-shipments are not essential to Auckland business and could easily go to ports better suited to large container vessels such as Tauranga or Northport near Whangarei? Do we really want to clog up the Auckland waterfront?” Mr Swney asked. “We’re not opposed to port expansion or a profitable port. We just think there’s got to be a better way forward than reclaiming the equivalent of 16 Eden Parks from our harbour.” A Heart of the City poll in November found 85 per cent of Aucklanders surveyed opposed a large-scale reclamation at the ports. Dr Joel Cayford, a former city councillor and lecturer in urban planning at Auckland University, says the port expansion plans represent a complete failure in the council planning process. “They have dropped the ball. They’re asleep at the wheel,” Dr Cayford says. “Trans-shipments can be done from any port. Council needs to consider the future of how the city develops and councillors shouldn’t let financial goals drive their planning decisions. The cost to the public - through loss of views, loss of harbour space and the inevitable increase in port-related transport - is greater than the potential financial gains.” Prominent Aucklanders are also swinging in behind the campaign to ask the council force the port to rethink their expansion plans including former councillor and prominent yachting identity Penny Whiting and the Westhaven Marina Users’ Group. Former All Black great Andy Haden has also voiced his opinion saying if the plans went ahead it “would be a disaster for the city”. “We had a great chance to build an iconic stadium on the waterfront that was missed but if an even bigger space is taken up to be used for a container port then something is very wrong,” Mr Haden says. Public submissions on the draft Auckland waterfront plan closed on 31 October however the council is due to consider the plan in February with a final vote in late March. • To find out more and to have your say about the Ports of Auckland plans go to www.facebook.com/yourportyourcall and ‘Like’ the page, leave a comment, read more about the plans and see the video. If you like what you see, you can follow Your Port Your Call at www.twitter.com/yrportyrcall Your Port Your Call: Supporters Penny Whiting MBE – Sailing Coach, former Auckland City Councillor Adam Mercer – Auckland Architects Association Graeme Scott – Urban Design Forum Barry Holton – Westhaven marina Users Group Link to post Share on other sites
rigger 47 Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 take a look at this: http://www.poal.co.nz/news_media/public ... oncept.pdf Came out publically last year and only now is Alex S jumping on it. the below image is a low quality version of the above I believe that POAL already has consents inplace for the Ferg wharf plans. - the rail network to Marsden Point - last time I checked could not handle a 40ft high cube container - is this a NIMBY attitude “Trans-shipments can be done from any port.” - so according to that other thread the port is hopelessly inefficient, now it isn't big enough. Time to shut it down and move it? Marsden Point or Tauranga? No great loss for the people of Auckland as we still own the land which can now be redeveloped into something better. I can see more bars restaurant's and fantastic buildings such as the Hilton hotel and apartments being built I know things need to change at the port but people also need to think about knock on issues relating to closing a port - years ago it was suggested shifting operations to Orere Point - cannot see that happening in todays 'green' environment Link to post Share on other sites
Bad Kitty 252 Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Close it down, use Marsden Pt and Tauranga, and let's have parks, cafe's and bars all along the Ak waterfront. It's stupid having container cranes downtown. Pass the Pinot Ta, Link to post Share on other sites
Grinna 2 Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Just thinking about the hoops that have to be jumped through to reclaim bits of harbour, yet, building wharves over the top of it is OK? I'm undecided about it. Would like to see a pretty compelling reason for the need to take over huge chunks of the harbour and arguments as to why it couldn't be done some other way. Link to post Share on other sites
wheels 543 Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 I would also be concerned with the obvious large increase in Shipping ang the increase in size of Ships that are going to be coming in through a rather narrow and busy waterway. Len Brown said on the news tonoght, that it was a 20yr plan thing. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crafty 1 Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Close it down, use Marsden Pt and Tauranga, and let's have parks, cafe's and bars all along the Ak waterfront. It's stupid having container cranes downtown.Pass the Pinot Ta, Thats not as dumb as some people may think. Let Tauranga be the main port and turn the POA area into a marine village / cruise liner port / ... the great benefits are no more large ships in the harbour, less chance of a marine disaster (leave that to the cheaper Tauranga operation) and a Auckland waterfront that is void of containers, noise, and continer cranes. And a harbour void of of clutter. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 perhaps it is time to seriously consider dredging the Manukau Link to post Share on other sites
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