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Q1. What was the highlight of your summer season (as far as it went)? Q2. What’s the first trip you’re hoping for as soon as we can go (weather permitting)? Starting off with myself: 1. Highlight was first family weekend at the end of Feb after my wife & baby son came home from 3 months in hospital 2. A few days at the bottom end - ideally including a swim and walk ashore on Rotoroa

I find with average daily family use I go through about 1kg per week ie a standard 4.5kg bottle gives me about a month. Sometimes a bit more sometimes a bit less depending on how you cook. If you pan-fry all your meals / meat then it’s obviously over in a few minutes. But if you fancy a winter-warming slow cooked pot or oven roast then obviously you chew through more.

Yes but only it’s boating-related Covid discussion then talk about it here. If it’s not please don’t and take it to Smalltalk. I’m being very polite / kind in my request!

I know you guys are passionate about this stuff but these last few posts really are off topic (boating) and belong in Smalltalk.

I think a combination of lockdown and lack of boating seems to getting to some of you guys...

Mmm, that’s interesting (and unusual). Was that for a standard local NZ cruising policy or for offshore & liveaboard cover?

But that’s been shown to be an inaccurate indicator. Many newbies to boating (rightly) go and get some basic competency quals and these might help but we also know many boaties with zero qualifications but have accumulated a lifetime of boating experience that is far more valuable than a newbie with a fist full of certificates. So in short, it’s not easy hence the fallback model of general stats tends to dominate.

Yes you’re right in your example risk #1 is probably worse than #2 because of the specific extra details you’ve outlined. But in the insurance scenario how do they assess that at time of underwriting? Can you imagine them asking you “Are you an accident waiting to happen with more money then sense?” or “Are you a sensible, safe and experienced mariner?”. They obviously can’t so instead use general questions and statistical models based on a large pooled risk concept plus some additional personalisation of risk as far as they can eg age, location, usage etc. But these questions are just proxies

Agreed that CG has many flaws as an organisation - their PR machine is unnecessarily aggressive for example - BUT I’d rather they were there than not. And I’ve seen various sides of them from internal Ops to front line service (I was active crew for a few years) through to being a ‘customer’. And overall they are a great outfit of well intentioned operators (if sometimes slightly misguided and overzealous). And finally I admit I’m biased because when a CG boat turns up in the middle of the night to transfer your seriously ill child to a helicopter for airlift to Starship hospital - it

2 concepts: 1. Passive risk when not in use eg on moooring or marina. Fire, weather, hit by another boat out of control etc. 2. Dynamic risk when in use eg collision, grounding, dragged anchor, dropped rig, gas or electrical issues etc etc. #1 is low but not zero. #2 is higher. Liveaboards do more of #2 than #1 hence higher risk and premium. Regardless of your personal experience and track record statistically risk increases with use. When you buy insurance you (perhaps unwittingly) buy into this statistical model. If you don’t like it don’t buy it! Similar concep

I might be wrong but I very much doubt that a suspected Covid case on Waiheke would result in a CG boat being sent from Auckland. And yes I also understood that to date Waiheke had remained Covid-free so I’m not sure of the basis of marinheiro’s statement?

I’ve been plugged into shore power & charging 24/7 for years - the longest single stint being literally about 9 months whilst I was living outside NZ - and had no problems. But I was using professionally installed kit including Victron charger. I’ve had several Victron units over the years and I reckon they’re the real deal (although not cheap).

Mmmm, my experience with medical urgencies / emergencies at Waiheke usually involves a chopper but maybe CG were used to assist.

Interesting email update from Coastguard - excerpt below. Exactly as I predicted at this beginning of this whole episode, it confirms that several boaties ignored the pre-lockdown order to not go out and subsequently developed serious illness whilst afloat - including Covid. Which required rescue by CG. Entirely predictable and preventable. I doubt any of those will ever admit their idiotic behaviour to go sailing and post it here... “As expected, we have seen a large reduction in the number of boats out on the water over the last four weeks” says Callum Gillespie, Coastguard New Zea

Yup. I’m a top tier customer with Emirates - last couple of years I spent $150,000-200,000 each year on airfares just with them. This year will be most likely zero. And I’m only one customer. That’s what they’re up against.

GH just confirmed attending vessel is ok under L3. But discouraging going out.

Which marina is that?

No. Not with oil prices now negative. And all the formerly oil-rich Arab states and related businesses like Emirates heading for huge pain. I’d say ongoing Emirates sponsorship would be looking very dodgy right now beyond any cash already paid / committed last few months.

The virulent nature of C19 in every sense is all the more reason to preserve some sanity in a refuges like Marinetalk. I wish it could be vaccinated from the Covid-infected rambling posters who should self-isolate in Smalltalk or shout at themselves in their bathroom mirror.

Marinetalk is the only part of this forum that I visit but even this is going down to toilet. I wish the shouters would take their spats back to Smalltalk where they belong.

C’mon guys....

Not on FB. What does it say?

I don’t think I’ve heard anything that would preclude that? If you travel in your bubble and locally / regionally (I think max 45 mins drive was the guidance) to check on your boat on its berth or mooring, I doubt you’d get in trouble for that. If you cast off and go sailing you’re obviously in breach of L3 rules. But simply checking on your boat where it is should be ok.

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